#1
So I go back today from the store with an Ibanez tubescreamer TS9 and hooked it up to my Vox Valvetronix AD30VT. (its a modelling amp, and a damn good one too) After I played aorund with the tubescreamer for a while, I realised I could replicate its tones simply by cranking up the gain on my amp pretty much. Am I doing something wrong? I expected it to make a little bit more difference. Im probably going to take it back tomorrow. Anyone have any thoughts? I only really bought one cos people rave about them and say they are essential.
Last edited by XtAsY2007 at Feb 12, 2007,
#2
It is supposed to be used with all tube amps. Not solid state or hybrid amps.
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#4
Unless you're looking to add a slight drive to a clean tone for some bluesy stuff, a Tube Screamer (or the majority of overdrives) will sound like ass unless used with a tube amp. The people who rave about them generally are using them to drive the front end of a tube amp for an extra gain boost.
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Tubescreamers and other overdrive pedals are great for adding a bit of extra gain to the distortion channel of a tube amp, particularly at lower volume levels if you can't crank them. Run one through the clean channel of a solid state amp and you'll just get a mild tube breakup sound. You can't run one through the distortion channels of the vox as you just get a shitload of noise - modelling amps are a good all-in-one package, but the compromise is that they don't like stuff being plugged into them much.
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#6
oh well, itll be off to the shop tomorrow to take it back, or I could keep it until I get a full valve amp which should only be a few months away...
#7
I would keep it, just because it's a great pedal and at some point you'll probably upgrade to a valve amp anyway.
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#8
It's supposed to be used for a tube amp. Duh.

It's called tube screamer for a reason, stick with the distortion pedals when you have a SS amp as they make a lot more difference.
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oh well, itll be off to the shop tomorrow to take it back, or I could keep it until I get a full valve amp which should only be a few months away...

You'll get it a lot quicker if you get the money back on the tube screamer.
#10
it's not tube only or anything- an OD pedal is basically a smooth distortion pedal with a different wave shape. the only reason it would be better with a tube amp would be to use it as a booster.
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it's not tube only or anything- an OD pedal is basically a smooth distortion pedal with a different wave shape. the only reason it would be better with a tube amp would be to use it as a booster.



hmmmm, yeh it doesnt actually say in the manual to be used only with tube amps. It says under features, "delivers that warm, natural tube overdrive sound previously unatainable by conventional units."

Its still going back though because I can just get my amp to sound like the tube screamer with abit of tweaking.
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#14
Yea, and your amp isn't really suit for being used with pedals.
Also the distortion and overdrive produced is not that same, if you realize.

Give the TS to me.
#15
If you're going to get a tube amp soon, keep it. It adds smoothness, a hint more gain, etc to a tube amp. It's great. I've got to buy one soon.
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#16
You guys are stupid. Tubescreamers weren't designed to be used with a tube amp only. They were designed to emulate a tube being overdriven. Modelling amps generally don't work well with effects pedals.
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Keep it till you get a valve amp. I love my Tubescreamer when used with my amp.
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Tubescreamers and other overdrive pedals are great for adding a bit of extra gain to the distortion channel of a tube amp, particularly at lower volume levels if you can't crank them. Run one through the clean channel of a solid state amp and you'll just get a mild tube breakup sound. You can't run one through the distortion channels of the vox as you just get a shitload of noise - modelling amps are a good all-in-one package, but the compromise is that they don't like stuff being plugged into them much.



thats exactly right
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You guys are stupid. Tubescreamers weren't designed to be used with a tube amp only. They were designed to emulate a tube being overdriven. Modelling amps generally don't work well with effects pedals.

I agree with the modeling amps not liking effects. I don't understand it myself.

I always thought a Tubescreamer basically pushed the front end of an amp to distortion. A boost if you will. After all, isn't that what you do when you crank the gain up? One way or another, you're increasing the amount of signal your preamp gets, be it tube or solid-state, and pushes it to distort.
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I always thought a Tubescreamer basically pushed the front end of an amp to distortion. A boost if you will.

You were wrong. It can be used as a boost, and this is the capacity in which people with tube amps normally use it but it is not the purpose for which this pedal was made. It was designed to simulate tube overdrive at lower volumes where an amp would not overdrive.
#21
Well the Vox is Valvestate, so surely it has some tube characteristics? I love mine, that's for sure!
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You were wrong. It can be used as a boost, and this is the capacity in which people with tube amps normally use it but it is not the purpose for which this pedal was made. It was designed to simulate tube overdrive at lower volumes where an amp would not overdrive.


I stand corrected. The question I have is why it doesn't do anything but boost volume on my friends amp when the amp is in clean mode? The amp must be on its "lead" channel for it to effect at all.
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Quote by PRS Josh 83
I stand corrected. The question I have is why it doesn't do anything but boost volume on my friends amp when the amp is in clean mode? The amp must be on its "lead" channel for it to effect at all.

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Unless there's something wrong with your pedal then turn up Drive!

This was a fully functional pedal on my amp but not his. I cranked the drive all the way up and it still only increased the volume. It was crazy! Also tried a Boss DS-1 and it did the same.
#25
It is supposed to be used with all tube amps. It's usually used as a booster because it doesn't really have that much gain... But it give a DAMN smooth, singing overdrive
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#26
Alot of bs in this thread. A booster can be used in front of a solid state amp... I do it myself try the settings volume full drive 9 o clock and tone whatever you want and then puit it in front of one of the hi gain models of the amp and it should get your vox into heavier territorys. I do the same with an sd-1
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#27
I know, but it will sound way better with a tube...
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