#1
Is it really necessary. I never use it as it sounds bland and unoriginal. I use majors and all its modes, harmonic minor and some modes of that and the melodic minor only to spice solols up a bit...

If im playing blues its the blues pentatonic.. but I add the 6th interval (so in E pent blues I add C#).

But never the pentatonic major or minor.

Not once.

Is that a bad thing?
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#2
yes
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#4
Its a good thing to start scales with. Its more of an outline to scales than anything! its good if your just starting improvising!
#5
It's not necessary, but if you know how to use it, then use it.

Most bands don't know how to use pentatonic, but its all they know, or they don't know how to use ANY scale that they know.

If you want diversity in your sound, most definately use it, it's a familiar sound too as most of western culture now has been bought up with it in some way or another.
But unless you knwo how to use it, theres no point in using it.
#6
Yes, the pentatonic has a lot of cliche licks, but they're cliches for a reason: they sound really cool. You should learn to use it effectively. When properly used, it can sound anything from bluesy to Chinese.

Once you know how to use it, you can decide that it isn't for you.
#7
Im in the same boat as you. Ive learned tons of stuff but never the pentatonic. I dont think that I really need it as there are tons of other scales out there that I love. Its all preference. However, it sure wont hurt to learn it because it will only expand your horizons.
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#8
I never use it as it sounds bland and unoriginal


Because you use it that way. Listen to Steve Vai or Joe Satriani and tell me it sounds "bland" when they use it.
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#9
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Because you use it that way. Listen to Steve Vai or Joe Satriani and tell me it sounds "bland" when they use it.
It does to me...
#10
It's kinda hard to do rock improvisation and avoid using pentatonic. It's just such an
integral sound to rock. Essentially it's just a subset of the diatonic scale, so you
you probably use it to a certain degree. Also, I'd consider the blues scale to amount
to just about the same thing as minor pentatonic.

While it's generally thought of as a "beginner's scale", there are some advanced uses
that make other scales seem like child's play by comparison.
#11
Some of your posts are really lame. The pentatonic scale is just a tool to achieve a certain type of sound- it isn't a "beginner" scale or an "easy" scale- it's no easier than any other scale.
#12
Hey, if you're doing well without the pentatonics, it's not necessary to learn. Personally, I use them, mainly because I don't know many other scales yet.
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#13
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Some of your posts are really lame. The pentatonic scale is just a tool to achieve a certain type of sound- it isn't a "beginner" scale or an "easy" scale- it's no easier than any other scale.



Well, your comprehension of my post is rather lame.

I didn't say *I* thought it was a beginner or easy
scale. I don't think that at all. In fact, I think it can be
quite a bit more difficult to master than other scales because
of the larger intervals in the scale.

"While it's generally thought..." does NOT mean ME. Read a bit more carefully.
#14
It isn't any easier than any other scale. I don't use it in my guitar solos, but when I improv it give a nice easy going sound for a nice solo for blues.

Why not use it? I use pentatonic and all other scales... why limit yourself?
#15
Quote by edg
Well, your comprehension of my post is rather lame.

I didn't say *I* thought it was a beginner or easy
scale. I don't think that at all. In fact, I think it can be
quite a bit more difficult to master than other scales because
of the larger intervals in the scale.

"While it's generally thought..." does NOT mean ME. Read a bit more carefully.


I wasn't talking to you, my post just happened to be under yours. Sorry if it came off that way.

lol, miscommunication.
#17
um well the pentatonic scale are just five notes from the natural minor scale, so if you play the minor scale your essentially playing parts of the pentatonic scale
#18
I find pentatonics to be hella useful, if you dont want to use them thats cool. I know quite a few other scales and dont really use them either, but they normally help me start a solo.
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#19
It depends on how you use your scales. I personally don't give two craps about pentatonics solely. However, I am beginning to learn about it's intervals.

If I was going to return to the root, I might hammer from the second to third, back to second, then slide to the root. But now I'm recognising that I can skip intervals, and make it sound cool and more varied, and maybe go second, third, fifth, second, root. So I recommend fooling around with the intervals of the pentatonic scale; you don't have to use it solely, you can still use a full scale, but focus on what the pentatonic offers, and why it's how it is.
#20
Whats good about THE pent scale (say around the 12fret area if in Eminor) is you can often relate other scales to it.. so if you don't know what key part of a song or scale use is in, you can relate it to the pent and think "hmm so that notes the same as this one in the pent.." and locate the root note.
#21
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um well the pentatonic scale are just five notes from the natural minor scale, so if you play the minor scale your essentially playing parts of the pentatonic scale


Um yes that's true. Sort of. You could also be playing parts of the Dorian or Phrygian
scales, depending how you look at it.
#22
nope, your knowlage of scales is so good you should never need, or want to use it.
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#23
for me, Aeolian > Minor Pentatonic lol

Its the minor pentatonic with extra notes!
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#24
I think your missing the point. Nothing is necessary in writing music, just that some things can be more important than others. Some would say that if your looking for a catchy, simple and short solo, then pentatonics are more important. Others would find that it is better to use a few different exotic modes to create a complicated and quirky solo, and they would not use 'simpler' pentatonics.

Pentatonics/modes are not necessary, if you want to use them go ahead, if you dont then focus on something else.
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#25
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for me, Aeolian > Minor Pentatonic lol

Its the minor pentatonic with extra notes!


pfft, Lydian owns Aeolian any day
#26
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pfft, Lydian owns Aeolian any day


Win.
But: Lydian Augmented > Lydian
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