#1
I finally got to try out an se custom. Unfortunatly the store didn't have a singlecut to compare it to...
I was wondering why it was so light compared to other guitars.
After playing for a bit i picked up an ibanez s470 and it was almost twice as heavy.
They're both mahogany with a maple top. So what changes the weight?
Does weight matter for sustain or tone?
#2
I own one and I love it. I have no idea how PRS makes it so light. I guess it's just a PRS:-D
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PRS SE custom
cube 60
Dual Rectifier Roadster (2X12 combo)
DR strings
EHX Multiplexer
#4
Maybe it's chambered? Seems logical.
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#5
Weight does matter, so does thickness...look at les pauls, their sustain lasts forever!

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Last edited by Jinskee at Feb 19, 2007,
#6
Haha, yeah I saw that you finally got the amp. See that you're liking it haha.
Ibanez PGM301
Ibanez GRG170DX
Fender Telecaster MiJ - 1986
Swing T-Through

Ibanez TS9DX
Sovtek Small Stone - c.1985
EHX Big Muff
Kimbara Wah - c.1974
Boss GE-7

Orange Rocker 30 Combo

http://www.myspace.com/paythelay
#8
Maybe they just use nice, lightweight pieces?


Heavier does not equal better, and you're back will thank you for choosing a nice light instrument.
haha
#9
Quote by Kurapica
Haha, yeah I saw that you finally got the amp. See that you're liking it haha.



@#$@#$@#


Yes . Great amp, I only could crank it to 3-4 though...then I started going deaf . Man, chords and separate notes sound MEAN on this amp.
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-2-channel Titan
-Oversized Bogner 2x12 Cabinet
-Fulltone OCD
-RMC Picture Wah
-T.C. Electronic Nova Delay
-Larrivee D-03R
#11
Quote by Jinskee


@#$@#$@#


Yes . Great amp, I only could crank it to 3-4 though...then I started going deaf . Man, chords and separate notes sound MEAN on this amp.


Aye. Something I found out only the other day. Orange rate the amps on their clean channel, meaning the dirty channel is louder. You have nearer a 50 watt valve amp than a 30 watt.
Ibanez PGM301
Ibanez GRG170DX
Fender Telecaster MiJ - 1986
Swing T-Through

Ibanez TS9DX
Sovtek Small Stone - c.1985
EHX Big Muff
Kimbara Wah - c.1974
Boss GE-7

Orange Rocker 30 Combo

http://www.myspace.com/paythelay
#12
Dang it, I edited the wrong post!


Anyway..

Weight does matter, so does thickness...look at les pauls, their sustain lasts forever!
Co-Founder of the Orange Revolution Club


-Esp/Ltd Ec-1000 w/ BKP Mules
-2-channel Titan
-Oversized Bogner 2x12 Cabinet
-Fulltone OCD
-RMC Picture Wah
-T.C. Electronic Nova Delay
-Larrivee D-03R
#13
Quote by Kurapica
Aye. Something I found out only the other day. Orange rate the amps on their clean channel, meaning the dirty channel is louder. You have nearer a 50 watt valve amp than a 30 watt.

Omg...

That explains it though! I cranked my clean all the way up and it didn't make my ears bleed.
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-Esp/Ltd Ec-1000 w/ BKP Mules
-2-channel Titan
-Oversized Bogner 2x12 Cabinet
-Fulltone OCD
-RMC Picture Wah
-T.C. Electronic Nova Delay
-Larrivee D-03R
#14
Quote by Jinskee
Omg...

That explains it though! I cranked my clean all the way up and it didn't make my ears bleed.


Yup. 30 Watts of valve is all you'll ever need, so I wouldn't recommend playing with the dirty cranked full unless you want permanent hearing damage haha. It's handy having that extra headroom for sure. Hell, I have it at 2-3 during band practise and I'm the loudest haha.

Anyways, yes weight affects tone and sustain. You'll generally get a better sustain with increased weight. Tone is more affected by the wood it's made out of, but weight does have an affect too.
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Ibanez GRG170DX
Fender Telecaster MiJ - 1986
Swing T-Through

Ibanez TS9DX
Sovtek Small Stone - c.1985
EHX Big Muff
Kimbara Wah - c.1974
Boss GE-7

Orange Rocker 30 Combo

http://www.myspace.com/paythelay
#15
^Which reminds me...I can't wait to show it off to my band mates!
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-Oversized Bogner 2x12 Cabinet
-Fulltone OCD
-RMC Picture Wah
-T.C. Electronic Nova Delay
-Larrivee D-03R
#17
^Sorry, but to answer your question...again, it has alot to do with weight and tone.

Compare an SG and a Les Paul.

Both great guitars.

An SG is real thin, very, VERY light...so then it doesn't have too much of a sustain compared to it's following cousin...

The les paul. Very thick and heavy--alot of deep, fat thick sustain and tone.

Don't get me wrong, they are both great guitars.
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-2-channel Titan
-Oversized Bogner 2x12 Cabinet
-Fulltone OCD
-RMC Picture Wah
-T.C. Electronic Nova Delay
-Larrivee D-03R
#18
Np, as long as i got my question answered. It's a great guitar overall but the low sustain is the only thing that is putting me off.
#19
Funny thing is that the se custom was thicker but the ibanez s qmt was much heavier. Caught me off guard and i almost dropped the ibanez.
#20
^Yeah, it happens.

But...I'm going to contradict myself here...I'm going to make myself a bit more clear.


Just because it's light or thin, it doesn't mean it's going to have crappy sustain. There's alot of factors involved; the neck thru, if it's set up properly, etc.
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-2-channel Titan
-Oversized Bogner 2x12 Cabinet
-Fulltone OCD
-RMC Picture Wah
-T.C. Electronic Nova Delay
-Larrivee D-03R
#21
the ibanez is heavier because floyd rose trems are VERY heavy and its got alot more hardware on it (bolt on neck...)

the prs only has like 3 pieces of metal on it and the wood.
Gear:
Carvin Bolt-T -> Line 6 DL-4 -> Danelectro Fish and Chips -> Homemade Fuzz -> Epiphone Valve Junior Combo -> Amplitube and Guitar Rig.
#22
Quote by MetalUpTheAss
Maybe they just use nice, lightweight pieces?


Heavier does not equal better, and you're back will thank you for choosing a nice light instrument.


+1. Wood does vary from piece to piece - some wood having greater variation than others. Swamp ash is a good example of a wood that varies significantly.

Regards,

Rob
#23
And a guitar with a trem looses sustain because of that trem. My highway strat for example had a little shitty sustain, untill I blocked the trem clapton style (with the pieces of wood), and now it sustains forever.
Gear:
Gibson les paul Studio faded, modded Buckethead style (killswitch, 1 tone, 1 vol)
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Modded Cort KX-5, runaway (neck) and warthog (bridge)
Laney VC-15
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Last edited by Octavianus at Feb 20, 2007,
#24
Hadn't thought about how much the trem weighed. Thanks for all the answers. I was worried that the low weight would give me shit sustain. I'll be getting the se custom this week if i can get them to include a case, straps, and locks. Thanks.