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#1
ok so I'm talking to my friend about the different types of music, and someone mentions rap and hip-hop. Apparantly hip-hop and rap aren't even suppose to be apart of any music scene. techniqually its a form of poetry, just with a repetive beat in the back, No melody, and the fact that it doesn't adhere to any music basics. So I don't know... By popular demand the public made rap and hip-hop a form of music... so is it?
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#2
yes
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#4
so rap is music not poetry?
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#5
Totally is. Who ever said that just doesn't know anything about it. Which is why they have the skewed image of it.

Edit: And saying rap either has to be music or poetry is stupid. That's like saying the Doors aren't music because Jim Morrison was a poet. Things can be both. Unless it's some sort of metal, usually most lyrics are poetry.
#6
if they are so different then what is the difference between them?
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#7
poetry is just an aspect of music....i could read the lyrics to a song at a poetry reading, and if there was no instrumentation in the background then it would be poetry. If there was no instrumentation in rap, then yes it would be poetry, however there are rhythmic beats that accent the lyrical content which transcends it from poetry to music.
#9
Yeah, check out The Roots, A Tribe Called Quest, and ****ing Run-DMC to better understand what rap is/was/should be.
#10
Rap, seemingly, stands for rhythm and poetry; Generally, the latter is a little lacking in substance.
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#11
If you really wanted to be an ass, you would say that Rap is not a genre, but one of the elements of Hip-Hop.

Edit: If you really want to understand what hip-hop is, watch the movie "Scratch"
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Yeah, check out The Roots, A Tribe Called Quest, and ****ing Run-DMC to better understand what rap is/was/should be.



no i totally agree, thats what it should be... but its not... atleast by todays standards. I don't know... Art is a form of poetry because its expression right? so is music and dance and all that mumbo jumbo but I'm trying to grab the concept of the situation here... so one more time someone explain to me but with intreciate detail. Much Appreciated
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Rap, seemingly, stands for rythm and poetry; Generally, the latter is a little lacking in substance.
And spelled incorrectly quite often.

Yes, it's music, get over it.
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#14
Yep just bad music as a general rule. Some older rap is good though.
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Edit: And saying rap either has to be music or poetry is stupid. That's like saying the Doors aren't music because Jim Morrison was a poet. Things can be both. Unless it's some sort of metal, usually most lyrics are poetry.

I find that completely in correct.
The poetry vs. lyrics/singing seems to me
To be of no consequense (sp?) when considering
Its significance or role in the music,
They can be used interchangeably.

However, what makes The Doors music
Is the instruments.
Because they take up the melody,
Which would be nonexistant
If Jim wasn't simply reciting poetry.

If the doors had no instruments,
Or simply and beat and/or percussionist.
They would indeed not be music.
They would be a form of rap,
Which is not music
Because there is no melody.
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And spelled incorrectly quite often.

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I find that completely in correct.
The poetry vs. lyrics/singing seems to me
To be of no consequense (sp?) when considering
Its significance or role in the music,
They can be used interchangeably.

However, what makes The Doors music
Is the instruments.
Because they take up the melody,
Which would be nonexistant
If Jim wasn't simply reciting poetry.

If the doors had no instruments,
Or simply and beat and/or percussionist.
They would indeed not be music.
They would be a form of rap,
Which is not music
Because there is no melody.


ok this is like, very well said bro
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I find that completely in correct.
The poetry vs. lyrics/singing seems to me
To be of no consequense (sp?) when considering
Its significance or role in the music,
They can be used interchangeably.

However, what makes The Doors music
Is the instruments.
Because they take up the melody,
Which would be nonexistant
If Jim wasn't simply reciting poetry.

If the doors had no instruments,
Or simply and beat and/or percussionist.
They would indeed not be music.
They would be a form of rap,
Which is not music
Because there is no melody.

Music doesn't have to have melody. By definition, music is an organized series of sound.
#20
yeah..it has a time signature and it makes noise, it's music.
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#21
"Music doesn't have to have melody. By definition, music is an organized series of sound."
-Big Ass Wok

doesn't that create a melody though?
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#22
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yeah..it has a time signature and it makes noise, it's music.

it doesn't even need a time signature. As long as someone had the intent of arranging a series of sounds with artistic purposes, it's music.
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anyway, everything has a time signature.
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#24
to me if it has a beat its music

even if its mainstream crap its music

Underground Hip-Hop is accualy good I like it
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#25
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"Music doesn't have to have melody. By definition, music is an organized series of sound."
-Big Ass Wok

doesn't that create a melody though?

...wow how dense can you get?

Take percussion instruments for example. They don't make melodies. They make percussive sounds.
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anyway, everything has a time signature.

there is such thing as free time.

Take Freedom Jazz Dance for example.
#27
and free time is a type of time signature.
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...wow how dense can you get?

Take percussion instruments for example. They don't make melodies. They make percussive sounds.



so we can not hum a drum solo or the way kids hit pots and pans, i mean if you can hum it isn't it a melody? if your gettin' so butt hurt about me not thinking like you, maybe you should get a reality check, not everyone thinks like you. Which is why I'm asking this question.
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so we can not hum a drum solo or the way kids hit pots and pans, i mean if you can hum it isn't it a melody?

.....I've never heard anyone hum a drum solo. Maybe because the sound property of a drum makes it physically impossible to imitate by humming.

if your gettin' so butt hurt about me not thinking like you, maybe you should get a reality check, not everyone thinks like you. Which is why I'm asking this question.
This is true. Not everyone uses common logics, unfortunately. This is why people like you ask stupid questions.
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so we can not hum a drum solo or the way kids hit pots and pans, i mean if you can hum it isn't it a melody? if your gettin' so butt hurt about me not thinking like you, maybe you should get a reality check, not everyone thinks like you. Which is why I'm asking this question.


only chimes, timpani, xylophone, and glockenshpeil can make actual notes. i took music first trimester, but i can't remember the names of percussion instruments that make notes, and ones that don't.

edit: definate and indefinate pitch
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#32
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.....I've never heard anyone hum a drum solo. Maybe because the sound property of a drum makes it physically impossible to imitate by humming.

This is true. Not everyone uses common logics, unfortunately. This is why people like you ask stupid questions.



ok then, plz describe to me in your expert opinion whether or not rap is music or just poetry, because i'm so stupid and apparantly you graduated from the top music school there is.
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ok then, plz describe to me in your expert opinion whether or not rap is music or just poetry, because i'm so stupid and apparantly you graduated from the top music school there is.

Apparently you're a mongoloid:
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Music doesn't have to have melody. By definition, music is an organized series of sound.


And to officially shut you up:

You acknowledged that any arranged melody qualifies as music. Most rap HAS melodies in the accompanying background music. Therefore, rap is music. Simple as that.
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#34
ok then, everyone rap is officially music since it is a series of organized sounds. thanks Big Ass Wok

Mongoloid? that sounds like something that would be on World of Warcraft or something of the nature. Interesting use of words kid.
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#35
yeah sure, rap is music. but everything can be music if you want it to be. talking can be music. the sound of the computer keyboard can be music. walking can be music
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#36
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ok then, everyone rap is officially music since it is a series of organized sounds. thanks Big Ass Wok

Mongoloid? that sounds like something that would be on World of Warcraft or something of the nature. Interesting use of words kid.

See edit.

Mongoloid is a pseudo-intellectual slang term for retard/person with down syndrome. Yes, I called you a retard.
#37
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yeah sure, rap is music. but everything can be music if you want it to be. talking can be music. the sound of the computer keyboard can be music. walking can be music

No, because those aren't driven by artistic intentions.
#38
if i want them to be, they can
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#39
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yeah sure, rap is music. but everything can be music if you want it to be. talking can be music. the sound of the computer keyboard can be music. walking can be music


calebrocker you are correct everything is music since everything is a series of organized sounds which creates music. lol that makes K-Fed's career musical.
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if i want them to be, they can

Sure, if you used them in context of music, it can be counted as music. But just saying they're music doesn't make them so.
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