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#1
Bass is my favorite sound in the band, and I always have to squint my ears to hear alot of it.

if someone wanted me to point out the guitar or drum, id be like in one second, bam, right there, if someone wanted me to point out the bass, id be like okay hold on a second.... hmm.. oh yea hear that rumbling

its really annoying, i mean, whats keeping them from turning up the volume?

a lot of bands don't even need bassists cus they dont add to the music much at all.
#5
I love bass

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#7
check out primus. or stu hamms solo stuff. or mr. patorius
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#10
If you're listening through little PC speakers that are about 3 inches you won't hear any bass

besides, its there to thicken the sound most of the time. there are ALOT of bands with a prodiminent bass though
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#11
I don't understand it either. Maybe they do and you just need a $1million dollar sound system to hear it right.

i like to hear the bass, But i think that they play quiet for the same reason that people put socks on their headstocks: they aren't really special players. Good bassists turn it up and let you hear them funk on it. Bad ones are quiet and don't do much.
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squint your ears?
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#14
It's not the volume that bothers me, it's the amount of compression. GIVE US BACK OUR DYNAMIC RANGE!
#15
in most modern bands, the bass is there, but you can't really hear it. but if it was removed, you'd miss it, and the music would feel more empty.
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#19
I don't like having to listen closely to hear the bass. We don't have enough hardcore in your face bass anymore.
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#20
It's not an issue of volume, it's frequencies. Humans can hear from approximately 20Hz-20kHz, but our ears are built to amplify mainly the frequencies from around 1.5 - 7kHz (which is the human speech range). This is simply a function of the structure of our ear.

Very low and very high frequencies are not amplified nearly so much (many times less than our "peak range"). So, when listening to music, your ear will pick up the guitar, drums, and voices much more readily than the bass. This results in a perceived lack of bass volume. This is why boosting the high mids/treble of your bass EQ results in a much clearer presence in the mix.

As well, with time you can train your ears to pick out the bass out of the mix much more easily.
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#21
Its turned up but it jus blends more in.In alot of genres of music its really there in the background.
#24
The real issue here is today's sound mixing techniques. In rock music today, it has become common practice to lower the bass frequencies because the general public doesn't care about listening to bass. They also feel it makes music "easier" to listen to. A-holes.
#25
Yeah, that's the same reason you don't see huge dynamic movements nowadays. It's apparently hard to listen to music with some sort of dynamic shift.
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As well, with time you can train your ears to pick out the bass out of the mix much more easily.

Indeed. Before I picked up bass, I barely ever heard it. Now that I've been playing for a while, unless its mad low or non-existant. Great explanation, cut it to save some room.
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#27
^Yeah thats true, from just playing Bass for a while and listening to Bass solo artists I have just gained the ability to (usually) hear the Bass in songs. (Same goes for listening to complicated / extreme Music, after while your ears get accustomed to the sound).

And for the most part the Bass mix is fairly laid back and quiet (like most Bassists, lol ), even with some bands who have good / talented Bassists, which is sad (it doesn't have to be like IN YOUR FACE!!! all the time just loud enough, with a clear tone to be easily heard IMHO)
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#28
listen to RHCP, rage against the machine, primus and some incubus especially SCIENCE
#29
Also, a song can only have so much "audio space."

Your ears can only listen to so much before it becomes unbearable, and the majority of radio-listeners don't have the ability nor do they want to listen to alot of different instruments doing complicated things. So the mixers decide that teens wanna hear some dude sing about his gf while some other guy strums some chords and a drummer does a bass-snare beat.

Cutting the bass down makes it easier for people to pick out the singer. I just wish there were more bass solo sections in songs.

They're so much better than guitar solos on average are. Even though I play guitar
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#30
^Yeah that sucks (@radio), but even some other more niche bands / genres have a bad mix too. And I wasn't just referring to Bass solos or special / complicated Bass lines, just the normal ones should be more prominent.
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#31
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Bass is my favorite sound in the band, and I always have to squint my ears to hear alot of it.

if someone wanted me to point out the guitar or drum, id be like in one second, bam, right there, if someone wanted me to point out the bass, id be like okay hold on a second.... hmm.. oh yea hear that rumbling

its really annoying, i mean, whats keeping them from turning up the volume?

a lot of bands don't even need bassists cus they dont add to the music much at all.


I don't think its so much the bassist turning the volume up, as it is everybody else lowering theyre volume.

Althought it does help to have a hefty amount of wattage if you're a bass player to keep up with everybody else. But I think guitar amps get exponentially louder when compared to bass amps.
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I don't think its so much the bassist turning the volume up, as it is everybody else lowering theyre volume.

Althought it does help to have a hefty amount of wattage if you're a bass player to keep up with everybody else. But I think guitar amps get exponentially louder when compared to bass amps.


It's just the nature of what frequencies stand out to the human ear.

But I do agree with bands turning it down, if at least for certain sections. Dynamics add so much to the music, but alot of bands nowadays just play at forte for 3 minutes at a time.
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#33
A lot of people find it difficult to hear the abss and it's often hidden by the other instrument.

However, if you remove the bass from a song, almost everyone will notice a definite change. It subtly adds to the music without being in your face and majorly noticeable, like lead guitar or vocals for instance.
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#34
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The real issue here is today's sound mixing techniques. In rock music today, it has become common practice to lower the bass frequencies because the general public doesn't care about listening to bass. They also feel it makes music "easier" to listen to. A-holes.


Your are right on here. Its all in the mix, and the popular preferences, the type of music, the genre of the music and the producer of the recordings whims of fancy. A good way to hear this is to take an artist with some history and the tendency to use different producers over time and watch how not only the bass, but other instruments will ebb and come to the front in the mix from album to album.

Hearing the bass either is a natural skill or something you need to train your ear to do. If you don't "hear" naturally, as you play more bass and learn more bass lines, you'll find you can start picking out the bottom easier. I've never had a problem hearing the frequencies on either end of the spectrum, which is a godsend for learning music.
#35
It's not an issue of volume, it's frequencies. Humans can hear from approximately 20Hz-20kHz, but our ears are built to amplify mainly the frequencies from around 1.5 - 7kHz (which is the human speech range). This is simply a function of the structure of our ear.

Very low and very high frequencies are not amplified nearly so much (many times less than our "peak range"). So, when listening to music, your ear will pick up the guitar, drums, and voices much more readily than the bass. This results in a perceived lack of bass volume. This is why boosting the high mids/treble of your bass EQ results in a much clearer presence in the mix.

As well, with time you can train your ears to pick out the bass out of the mix much more easily.


Just reposting this, since it had the dubious honour of being at the bottom of the first page, where few people actually read it.

As for mixing, it's true to a point. Western mainstream music has always been driven by the vocals and guitar, so they generally recieve the most attention in the mix.

Another factor is the increasing amounts of compression used in recordings today. Songs are becoming much more compressed than they used to, in order to boost the volume when played over the radio, etc. (songs are also compressed a great deal when put into digital formats such as mp3, as well) As well as killing the dynamics of the song, it cuts off the lowest and highest frequencies in the song. Losing the highest frequencies isn't a huge deal (you will rarely encounter a pleasant sound above 18kHz anyway ), but often the low range contains some of the bass' low fundamental notes. Lose these, lose the bass presence. When this happens, it will often seem as though there is an audible "vacuum" in the song, especially when listening to it over the radio.
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#36
i think alot of it is mix, most of the bass players mentioned here are in 3 pc bands, add a rhythm guitarist, and the dynamics of the songs change so as you don't pick out as much bass. not to mention, 2 guitarists can change what is expected from the bass player so he doesnt need to play as "complicated" lines to keep the rhythm section full sounding
#37
What is odd is that the more I play guitar, the more I hear bass.

Anyways, mixing and compression's really what I think kills the bass.

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#39
I agree with you all the way, but heres some bands that have a bassist that plays an important role and it easily heard

Dream Theater
Symphony X
Death
Necrophagist *Favorite*
Mudvayne
Tool
Shadows Fall-kinda
Racer X
All Shall Perish
Cannibal Corpse
Adagio
This is just to name a few, and I tried not to name the bands that pretty much ARE bass like RHCP's but here are some that bass stands out pretty well if not very well...
#40
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You can definitely hear the bass there, but I think it's just too too forward in the mix. I love it when a band has the perfect balance of bass and guitars and drums. Zeppelin, Yes, Rush, the Who (post-Tommy) and Pink Floyd are good examples of bands with present bass but not overpowering bass.
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