#1
..to sound good? been pondering whether to get one (got my eye on a peavey 5150 combo) but ive read that they have to be cranked to sound good. now, I cant exactly have my amps up loud because of neibours, so how loud is loud? I have my current solid state randall amp om about 3 - 4 and thats about the loudest I can use it at, unless noone is in next door...

is there anyway to make a tube amp sound good at lower volumes?
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Peaveys have a good rep for sounding good at low volumes. At bedroom levels, my 6505+ sounds really good... not as thick as when I crank it, but it still doesn't suck lol. I normally keep my presence knob on the lead channel between 9 and 10 tho... any lower than that and u gotta get it loud. Just play around with it. The 5150 combo will pwn any solid state combo you find, even at bedroom volumes so don't worry about that.
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ah right I see, thats good then. btw i got another question if you dont mind, i know that the 6505 is the same as a 5150, but what is a 5150 II? is it much different to a standard 5150?
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attenuators will give you powertube overdrive at low volumes. The tradeoff is you don't get the same speaker breakup and air movement you would get if all the power was getting to the speakers, which is a part of that "cranked sound". Some suck more tone than others depending on the brand, but units like the hotplate have adjustments to compensate.
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that sounds good, can anyone recommended any? I dont know anything about them, I dont even know what one looks like
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Yeah, if what you're getting is a high preamp gain metal amp, it should sound pretty darn good at low volumes. Other amps rely more on powertube breakup for their tone, which means you would have to crank it more. An attenuator is a good solution in any case, though.
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that sounds good, can anyone recommended any? I dont know anything about them, I dont even know what one looks like

Not the THD HotPlate or the Marshall Power Brake.
Check out tedweber.com. Their attenuators are the most tonally transparent, and affordable of the attenuators I've seen. Make sure you get the speaker motor models.
#10
^I've heard that too, check out webers. Be prepared to spend a fair amount of money, though.
#11
With the peavey high gainers, power tube saturation doesnt sound really all that great. The 5150 and Triple XXX and soforth rely mostly on preamp gain. With my 5150, the power tubes start to distort around 3 oclock, which is wayyyy loud. Earplug levels.
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ah right I see, thats good then. btw i got another question if you dont mind, i know that the 6505 is the same as a 5150, but what is a 5150 II? is it much different to a standard 5150?


5150 II is the equivalent to the 6505+. All you are getting is an extra tube in the clean channel (which actually clean sound a lot nicer and gives you more headroom, but it wont affect your lead channel at all).
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Quote by De Amazing Blob
^I've heard that too, check out webers. Be prepared to spend a fair amount of money, though.

eh, not as much as you would for the HotPlate of the Marshall.

I think the thing with Peaveys is the higher gain ones rely more on preamp distortion, rather than power tube saturation, is that correct? If so, don't worry about the attenuator too much, because you don't need to run an amp at high volumes for preamp distortion.
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eh, not as much as you would for the HotPlate of the Marshall.

I think the thing with Peaveys is the higher gain ones rely more on preamp distortion, rather than power tube saturation, is that correct? If so, don't worry about the attenuator too much, because you don't need to run an amp at high volumes for preamp distortion.


That would be correct. You might want to consider a noise gate too... the 5150/6505 gives a heck of a lot of feedback once u get past about 3 unless you stand like 30 ft away. The JSX head has a noise gate built in, but the tone is closer to the XXX (which isn't quite as good as the 6505 - in my opinion).
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My JCM900 sounds absolutely delicious at anything around 5 or over, but it makes my stomach hurt standing by it, so I keep it around 3-4
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5150s sound worse with attenuator. No need. Volume won't be an issue. It will start sounding full once you hit 1 - 1.5 on the dial.
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the higher a tube amps cranked, the better it sounds
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yeah, you get all the tone from the preamp, way too much gain to really feel the poweramp breakup.
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eh, not as much as you would for the HotPlate or the Marshall.
I know, I just meant attenuators in general. And +1, don't get an attenuator for a Peavey.
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5150s sound worse with attenuator. No need. Volume won't be an issue. It will start sounding full once you hit 1 - 1.5 on the dial.

yeah, I've heard that about the 5150 and attenuators from other owners too. The hotplate works excellent with my Cobra though.
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soo if was to get a 5150 II it would be fine for use at bedroom levels?
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#22
Quote by serbusfish
soo if was to get a 5150 II it would be fine for use at bedroom levels?


Peavey's specifically sound good at low volumes, but really, any tube amp will be fine for use at bedroom levels. You may not be getting the amp to sound it's absolute best, but it'll still be better than most SS stuff.
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#23
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soo if was to get a 5150 II it would be fine for use at bedroom levels?


Yup. No problem there at all.
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#24
Yeah, it'd sound great. It would still sound better cranked though, because the sound is that much huger (is that a word?...) and the bass will hit you in the chest.
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attenuators will give you powertube overdrive at low volumes. The tradeoff is you don't get the same speaker breakup and air movement you would get if all the power was getting to the speakers, which is a part of that "cranked sound". Some suck more tone than others depending on the brand, but units like the hotplate have adjustments to compensate.


To me, an attenuator is worthless on a high gain amplifier.

Something like a vintage marshall-esque amp they're absolutely gold, but on a mesa, peavey, ETC there is no point when you can get enough preamp distortion to use.

To be entirely honest if you're getting a 5150 combo or a half stack only to practice at bedroom levels you would be better off getting a decent solid state/modeling amp because they're much better at low volumes.

I'd rather practice with my SS combo than have my 5150 less than 1 every day.

Unless you're in a band or you have the opportunity to use your amp often I'd suggest buying something a bit more reasonable. Having a big tube amp is great but its not as fun as getting to use it
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To me, an attenuator is worthless on a high gain amplifier.

Something like a vintage marshall-esque amp they're absolutely gold, but on a mesa, peavey, ETC there is no point when you can get enough preamp distortion to use.


yeah, I agree to a point, but I also use my amps for more than just metal. I like to play blues too, and honestly, that's my favorite sound out of a tube amp. I can push my clean channel right to the brink of overdrive with the volume, and there is nothing like the response you get with the powertubes right at saturation. My clean channel on the Cobra sounds kickass when it's driving the tubes right at that point of overdrive, where picking dynamics can make such a noticable difference. I guess it's preference too, when I'm trying to get a good metal tone, my amps sound better when they are pushing the powersection imo, rather than just preamp gain. I guess that varies from amp to amp too. Of course, I'm not talking about attenuating to tv volume, I really only use it to allow me to crank my amps, and still be bearable in a small house, about -8dB. It's by no means quiet enough for an apartment with neighbors that way, but it's great for recording and jamming.
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I have my Peavey Classic 30 set between two and three.. and I think it sounds fantastic.
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I'd rather practice with my SS combo than have my 5150 less than 1 every day.


Then you are very dumb lol.
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