#1
Which amp head is better for playing metal. For example: At The Gates, Carcass, Arch Enemy ,Dark Tranquility, Morbid Angel, Nevermore, Death, some Avenged Sevenfold, Suffocation, Testament, etc. So which amp head would be better for that kind of music, a Mesa Boogie amp head or a Marshall? Also tell me the reasons why too.
#2
Mesa, marshall JCM800's are perfect for more 80's and classic metal.

Trivium used Marshall DSL's on the crusade, but apparantly they've moved onto Mesa now
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#3
uhh i prefer marshalls for high gain stuff, Mesas tend to have too much bass for my taste. Really its all down to personally preference, but if you dont want to boos your amp then youd probably want a mesa since they tend to have more gain.
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uhh i prefer marshalls for high gain stuff, Mesas tend to have too much bass for my taste. Really its all down to personally preference, but if you dont want to boos your amp then youd probably want a mesa since they tend to have more gain.

then cut down on the bass knob or boost the treble/mids?
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Mesa!
Can't beat that signiture Mesa sound.

^EDIT- IDK, the new marshall JVM sounds pretty good, but it appears to be somewhat of a Roadster clone: 4 channels, 3 different sounds each, hmmm?
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#11
does anyone on the board actually have a JVM yet?
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#12
Its all about preference. Play them both.
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#13
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does anyone on the board actually have a JVM yet?


Tons of people have them over at harmonycentral.com

And most of them are now for sale. Seems the hype was way bigger then the product. The 4th channel is pretty much unuseable. The vintage tones are all right, but the 3rd channel sounds meh too.

Of course thats just what they are all saying. I wouldn't spend the money on one. For that amount you can get a full Jubilee or 800 halfstack. Or you could just get an amp made for metal, a mesa.
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#14
go with a mesa, they have an awesome metal tone
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^EDIT- IDK, the new marshall JVM sounds pretty good, but it appears to be somewhat of a Roadster clone: 4 channels, 3 different sounds each, hmmm?

yeah its essintally marshalls anwser to the road king.. the footswitch is probaly the greatest thing about it..really good..pity about my lack of muny
#17
The new Marshall JVM seems nice, but Engl and Mesas are nice too.
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#19
Engl Fireball

Cheap.. Tonnes of gain, great cleans, turn down the gain and you can get a crunchy sound.

I myself am saving for one and a 2x12 cab.
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That was a rather ignorant statement considering Marshalls have been around for FAR longer than Mesas. I am sure there are many more Marshall players than Mesa players. But the fact that metal players are choosing Mesa is because they do not have the same old sound that has been around forever. I personally LOVE Marshalls, but my Mesa gives me far more options than my Marshall did. Having 3 different gain modes for the 2 gain channels, and 2 different clean modes for the clean channel makes it able to produce tones that a Marshall couldn't even fathom. Plus the effects loop with it's seperate send and return level controls, programmable channel select (1, 2, 3, all, footswitch) has alot more control than Marshall. I have a built in solo boost, 1x16, 2x 8 and 2x 4 ohm speaker outputs, selectable tube/silicone diode rectifiers, seperate channel switching jacks, slave output with level control and more options. Marshall is good for older sounds and simplicity in function. But if you want something that has far more control over every parameter, as well as a myriad of tones, Mesa is the way to go.
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#21
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That was a rather ignorant statement considering Marshalls have been around for FAR longer than Mesas. I am sure there are many more Marshall players than Mesa players. But the fact that metal players are choosing Mesa is because they do not have the same old sound that has been around forever. I personally LOVE Marshalls, but my Mesa gives me far more options than my Marshall did. Having 3 different gain modes for the 2 gain channels, and 2 different clean modes for the clean channel makes it able to produce tones that a Marshall couldn't even fathom. Plus the effects loop with it's seperate send and return level controls, programmable channel select (1, 2, 3, all, footswitch) has alot more control than Marshall. I have a built in solo boost, 1x16, 2x 8 and 2x 4 ohm speaker outputs, selectable tube/silicone diode rectifiers, seperate channel switching jacks, slave output with level control and more options. Marshall is good for older sounds and simplicity in function. But if you want something that has far more control over every parameter, as well as a myriad of tones, Mesa is the way to go.


That makes me wanna get myself a Mesa
#22
You may want to look into a Peavey 5150...I know a couple of bands that you listed use them, and it would be cheaper than both a Mesa and a Marshall.
#23
Almost all the bands you listed primarily use Mesa amps. Does that answer your question?
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#24
IMO a boosted JCM800 sounds better than anything ive ever gotten out of a mesa dual rec. Its just that a boosted 800 cranked to the max (have to do this) is not very practical since they are so fu**in loud. Way better than a dual rec, unless you want to play Nu metal like most dorks. Now the MarkIV on the other hand... mmmmmmmm tasty.
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Almost all the bands you listed primarily use Mesa amps. Does that answer your question?


No....they really dont. In fact I really dont know if any of the band you listed use Mesa, maybe...

If you want a good straight forward Mesa tone check out Cradle of Filth's Thornography album. It is just straight forward Mesa tone.

As for the guy who said "Mesa(Same)"...well he apparently doesnt know a whole lot.

Marshall will get you a Black Label Society, and more of a Trivium tone.
Of the bands you listed Arch Enemy uses Krank, and so does Nevermore. Avenged Sevenfold uses Bogner....thats all I really know for sure. These guys may use Marshall cabs but not Marshall amps.

And as far as Mesa being best for Nu-metal. Well I dont consider scooped mid nu metal music. I use a tripple with a healthy amount of mids, and it sounds thicker than any Marshall ever will. Especially with a little boost added in. Mesa rectos are incredibly tone responsive, and capable of a wide range of tones. Give Mesa a try. They arent regarded as one of the industry's top amps for nothing.
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#26
A7X and Trivium now use Mesas too.
IMO the 5150 is your best bet unless you need shimery cleans.
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#27
Majority of those bands you listed DO in fact use/used Marshall. But you must remember majority of artists dont limit themselves to just one amp especially the amps they endorse, in the studio. You have to remember studio and a nice budget = rackgear (graphic Eq's, compressors, etc.). so if you are looking to mimic studio tone of those artists idk what to tell you. I have tested Mesa Dual rects against DSL 100's (marshall) and the gain isnt something to necessarily write home about. Marshall and Mesa seem to have extremely devoted fans so id suggest trying them both out yourself, but dont forget about Peavey and other brands depending on your budget.
#28
Mesa Mark Series amps are their only good line of amplifiers. Give me a Marshall 800 anyday or a 5150 ill take over a mesa as well.
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#29
Genz Benz El Diablo. Mesa style nu metal type gain but amazing cleans as well.
#30
Neither, if you can afford it get a Diezel

Though I've heard that they're cabs suck, so go for a Marshall or Orange cab for it...
#31
+1 to the El Diablo...but please god dont scoop the mids. Running no mids through an expensive amp is like using regular fuel instead of super in a Ferrari. It just doesnt let your amp actually show off how good it is.
#33
Regardless of what Trivium now uses, on The Crusade, they used Marshall. So an example of Marshall tone would be Trivium...like we all said. So until they release another album using Mesa, Trivium uses Marshall on CD. But last I checked the threadstarter didnt list Trivium as one of the bands he was interested in playing....so screw Trivium.

Look....read my first post and it will tell you all the reasons to go find and try out a Mesa. And keep in mind what Ibanez4Life said. They take a lot of time to get a good tone out of because of the fact that they are so responsive in their controls. They DO TAKE TIME. But you wont be disappointed.

But I am also going to say that a 6505 isnt a bad amp by any standard either. Check out Machine Head's "Through the Ashes of Empires" album for an idea of a 6505. Plus they are like $400-$500 cheaper than a Mesa. So then you can buy whatever else you want as well...like maybe BBE Boosta Grande to push some more gain, and whatever pedals you want. If I had a choice of any two amps under $1600 it would be 6505 and Mesa Tripple Recto. Dont overlook the 6505 just because its cheaper. With the amount of cash your about to drop....make sure you try a few things out.
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Mesa Mark Series amps are their only good line of amplifiers. Give me a Marshall 800 anyday or a 5150 ill take over a mesa as well.


Mark series are their only good amps? Play my Road King, then talk to me.
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#35
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Mesa Mark Series amps are their only good line of amplifiers. Give me a Marshall 800 anyday or a 5150 ill take over a mesa as well.


The new line of Stiletto's and Lonestars are amazing amps. I hear the new express's are great to.

Yeah, the rectos are overused by little metal heads, but they are still great amps.

Mesa is hands down the most reputable amp maker in my eyes. They never stray from quality no matter what. And I've owned 2 JCM800's. My Stiletto Ace owns them.
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#36
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+1 to the El Diablo...but please god dont scoop the mids. Running no mids through an expensive amp is like using regular fuel instead of super in a Ferrari. It just doesnt let your amp actually show off how good it is.


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#37
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That was a rather ignorant statement considering Marshalls have been around for FAR longer than Mesas. I am sure there are many more Marshall players than Mesa players. But the fact that metal players are choosing Mesa is because they do not have the same old sound that has been around forever. I personally LOVE Marshalls, but my Mesa gives me far more options than my Marshall did. Having 3 different gain modes for the 2 gain channels, and 2 different clean modes for the clean channel makes it able to produce tones that a Marshall couldn't even fathom. Plus the effects loop with it's seperate send and return level controls, programmable channel select (1, 2, 3, all, footswitch) has alot more control than Marshall. I have a built in solo boost, 1x16, 2x 8 and 2x 4 ohm speaker outputs, selectable tube/silicone diode rectifiers, seperate channel switching jacks, slave output with level control and more options. Marshall is good for older sounds and simplicity in function. But if you want something that has far more control over every parameter, as well as a myriad of tones, Mesa is the way to go.



EXACTLY!
People seem to repost what they hear on the threads and don't actually play the amps themselfs. MESA"S CAN DO A LOT MORE THAN NU METAL.
With my Roadster I can get:

CLEANS (Think loanstar)

A glassy, sparkly clean (Channel 1 and 2)
A dull, fuller clean
A clean that starts to break up when you pick hard

MID GAIN (Channel 2):
Tweed bluesy overdrive
Marshall-esk tone when on spongy
Almost thrashy distortion

SOLO
Channel 3 (I have set up for my solo channel)
Bluesy lead
Liquid, searing lead

ALL OUT INSANITY (Channel 4)
I have about 3 settings for this one,
One gets me a chuggy heavy, thick distortion (Use this when drop tuned)
Another gets me a trebly high gain sound that isn't harsh (Think Bodom)
Another gets me a rich, full, warmer sounding distortion


Note- I do this all without progressive linkage (I have a Roadster not a Road King), with the roadking, the possibilities are ENDLESS.

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#38
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...please god dont scoop the mids. Running no mids through an expensive amp is like using regular fuel instead of super in a Ferrari. It just doesnt let your amp actually show off how good it is.

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