Poll: Prescribe heroin to addicts?
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View poll results: Prescribe heroin to addicts?
Yes.
44 30%
No.
34 23%
Inject them with dirty needles to kill off the addicts (judge judy approach).
52 36%
Don't know.
15 10%
Voters: 145.
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#1
I'm bored so i thought we could all have a nice, stirring debate. Though i do realise it's going to boil down to, "You're stupid!!".

So, do you believe heroin addicts should be prescribed heroin to stop them stealing to support their habit?

I believe that they should, as it stops them commiting crimes, and makes it a health issue instead of a criminal one. It is said it will cost less (£12,000 a year, in comparison to the $45,000 heroin addicts steal.)
Of course i'm expecting some right-wing tosser to come in here and say that we shouldn't be rewarding junkies but oh well....

I'll stick in a poll as well.
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#2
I agree with you, it's better this way round, then them going out stealing and harassing other while they might not want to, but just see no other way.
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#3
I think it'd be abit silly subscribing them heroin, as they'd end up needed more amounts until, finally, they break down the economy of the world...

I voted the "Dirty needle" solution...
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#5
I'm doing something similar to this as a peice of science coursework. With the title; 'Should heroin and other illegal drugs be prescribed as painkillers?'

So this thread could prove useful, and yeah, I agree, but make them take it in hospital and then have them stay in hospital until they're no longer addicted.
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#6
In England they are currently supplied with methadone, a heroin substitute. Does the trick.
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I think it'd be abit silly subscribing them heroin, as they'd end up needed more amounts until, finally, they break down the economy of the world...

I voted the "Dirty needle" solution...

It would still be cheaper than incarcerating them and more humane than killing them off. They are people after all.
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#8
Also what hospitals give is methadone, a heroin substiute - no nasty ingredients used to cut it and nowhere near as bad for youre health. It means that the addicts are safer ...

wait this means less chanceof them dying of an od ... damit ... what a paradox
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#9
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In England they are currently supplied with methadone, a heroin substitute. Does the trick.

Shame that it's more addctive than heroin and that people are more likely to overdose on it.

I did the dirty needle option as a kind of joke and it scares me how many people are voting for it...
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#10
up north in vancouver they provide safe injection sites with clean needles which i thought was a great idea.
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#11
i think they should at least try it
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#13
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In England they are currently supplied with methadone, a heroin substitute. Does the trick.


Pft, theoretically. In practise it's actually a complete waste of time.


Instead of prescribing it they should just legalise it. Cheap and easy heroin for anyone dumb enough to use it.

And I don't have to pay for it through taxes either. I'm not paying for a smackhead's habit, if they want to kill themselves they can use their own money.

I voted 'Yes' though, I don't think legalisation is very realistic. And prescribing it is an acceptable substitute until then.
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#14
It's be nice to prescribe heroin to addicts to keep them from stealing, and to actually help them ween off the drug, but that will never happen in America...at least I don't think it will.
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#15
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I believe that they should, as it stops them commiting crimes, and makes it a health issue instead of a criminal one. It is said it will cost less (£12,000 a year, in comparison to the $45,000 heroin addicts steal.)
Of course i'm expecting some right-wing tosser to come in here and say that we shouldn't be rewarding junkies but oh well...

Yeah heroin addicts ussually can't hold well paying jobs, so by perscribing it you do lower crime rates. Now the only crime rate will be the means of getting the money without the criminal charge of possession and/or trafficing.
I do agree with you though you are reqarding the junkies. That is like giving a pedophile and new 5 year old boy/girl everytime he gets horny.

And to Meths, that is a great idea. Let them kill them selves off while helping the economy
#16
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Also what hospitals give is methadone, a heroin substiute - no nasty ingredients used to cut it and nowhere near as bad for youre health. It means that the addicts are safer ...

wait this means less chanceof them dying of an od ... damit ... what a paradox

If heroin (or diamorphine) was pescribed by a doctor do you think it would be cut with anything? It would be produced legitametly (sp?) and so therefore wouldn't have any shit in it, which is thing that kills addicts. The dose would be controlled and so overdoses would be lowered.
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#17
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Yeah heroin addicts ussually can't hold well paying jobs, so by perscribing it you do lower crime rates. Now the only crime rate will be the means of getting the money without the criminal charge of possession and/or trafficing.
I do agree with you though you are reqarding the junkies. That is like giving a pedophile and new 5 year old boy/girl everytime he gets horny.


No, it isn't. Drug use is a victimless crime (certainly when you prescribe heroin).

And you aren't rewarding junkies, you're protecting citizens from crime and (in total) probably saving them a bunch of cash.
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If heroin (or diamorphine) was pescribed by a doctor do you think it would be cut with anything? It would be produced legitametly (sp?) and so therefore wouldn't have any shit in it, which is thing that kills addicts. The dose would be controlled and so overdoses would be lowered.


Read what i wrote carefully .... thats exactly what i've just said.
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#19
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No, it isn't. Drug use is a victimless crime (certainly when you prescribe heroin).

And you aren't rewarding junkies, you're protecting citizens from crime and (in total) probably saving them a bunch of cash.


no, realistically its rewarding junkies, and not encouraging them at all to quit
#20
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No, it isn't. Drug use is a victimless crime (certainly when you prescribe heroin).

And you aren't rewarding junkies, you're protecting citizens from crime and (in total) probably saving them a bunch of cash.

Perscriptions cost money, lots of it. And seeing as many heroin users can't hold good paying jobs, their money is going to their needs or their drugs. So to balance it off crime will happen for the money, similar to how it is now. Just that crime used to get the money and the possession itself is illegal. If you make it perscribed just the latter is legal.
#21
they do this in switzerland, they give you less and less until your off it.
#22
Quote by Meths

And I don't have to pay for it through taxes either. I'm not paying for a smackhead's habit, if they want to kill themselves they can use their own money.

The arguement is that instead of paying for someone to be chucked in jail for taking the drug, you are actually paying less to give them the thing that makes them commit crimes. Which is why i don't understand people going "Oh, i don't want my taxes wasted on junkies...". They are already being wasted on "junkies".
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#23
just because someones addicted to heroin doesnt mean their a bad person and should die so people who think that can **** off.

Altho i do admit its stupid to try heroin if your aware of the addictiveness and damage it can cause. But i think the system in the UK is pretty much fine.
#24
I dont think they should prescribe the drugs to them. It may be a short term solution to their stupid addiction but dont you think they'd be better off in rehab instead of ruining their lives and their families?
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#25
No because then people are encouraged to do heroine. One of the main reasons so many people fear heroine is the god awful state it puts you in so that you need to steal to feed the addiction, without that I'm guessing addiction would at least double.
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Read what i wrote carefully .... thats exactly what i've just said.

Sorry.

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#27
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No because then people are encouraged to do heroine. One of the main reasons so many people fear heroine is the god awful state it puts you in so that you need to steal to feed the addiction, without that I'm guessing addiction would at least double.

And yet in the Netherlands, where they prescribe it, they have much lower heroin use than in the UK or the USA...
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#28
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no, realistically its rewarding junkies, and not encouraging them at all to quit


1)It is not a reward. How is it it rewarding? You aren't giving them extra benefits because they're junkies.
2)No it doesn't particularly encourage to them to quit, but I don't care if they quit as long as they don't commit crime to fund their habit which prescription heroin would stop them doing.

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Perscriptions cost money, lots of it.


More or less than keeping someone in prison for ages as well as having them commit crime for a long time before then? Not to mention the cost of the legal process in having them convicted.

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And seeing as many heroin users can't hold good paying jobs, their money is going to their needs or their drugs. So to balance it off crime will happen for the money, similar to how it is now. Just that crime used to get the money and the possession itself is illegal. If you make it perscribed just the latter is legal.


What are you talking about? Crime won't happen for the money, you won't need the money for the drugs because they would be GIVEN the heroin.
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#30
well really, if drugs were legal, the government would be in control of it, they would control the taxes on drugs, which could be used to fund rehabilitation centers and campaigns to encourage people not to do drugs, plus it would eleiminate gangs. there is this irish television host, gay byrne, one of the most repected men in thecountry, and now he is calling for legalisation of drugs. like he said, you dont often find people murdered over a box of ciggarettes or a can of heineken!! realy, the drug problem in the world s getting worse, and the current system of punishment and blanket banning is doing nothing, just allowing criminals to control the drug market, a change is needed, or else it will be too late
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#31
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What are you talking about? Crime won't happen for the money, you won't need the money for the drugs because they would be GIVEN the heroin.

So what you are assuming is that the government pays for perscription.
I was assuming they are paying for their own perscription like most people do.

EDIT: Never mind I just noticed you are from London making most things with medical treatment is completely different.
#32
It would still be cheaper than incarcerating them and more humane than killing them off. They are people after all.


Yea they're people, but as people they will want more, bigger doses more often. The costs will stack up, until it gets to the point where it's cheaper to let them steal. There's also the risk that the hospitals would get raided by dealers for heroin, as I doubt they'd take well to their money getting taken.
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#33
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The arguement is that instead of paying for someone to be chucked in jail for taking the drug, you are actually paying less to give them the thing that makes them commit crimes. Which is why i don't understand people going "Oh, i don't want my taxes wasted on junkies...". They are already being wasted on "junkies".


I'm well aware of that, I'm simply saying that full-blown legalisation would be preferable to this because I wouldn't have to spend any tax money on them.

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Altho i do admit its stupid to try heroin if your aware of the addictiveness and damage it can cause. But i think the system in the UK is pretty much fine.


Pft, hardly.

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No because then people are encouraged to do heroine. One of the main reasons so many people fear heroine is the god awful state it puts you in so that you need to steal to feed the addiction, without that I'm guessing addiction would at least double.


1)The word is "heroin".
2)It doesn't encourage people to do heroin. It still puts you in a god awful state, you just no longer have to steal to maintain that god awful state. You are still in thrall to a drug. People don't do heroin because they don't want to be addicted, not because you have to steal to feed said addiction.

EDIT: I'm probably going to leave this thread before I break all of Paul's new rules. . .
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#34
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Yea they're people, but as people they will want more, bigger doses more often. The costs will stack up, until it gets to the point where it's cheaper to let them steal. There's also the risk that the hospitals would get raided by dealers for heroin, as I doubt they'd take well to their money getting taken.

It's been successful in other countries, why should it not work here?
Also, as someone else said, they could gradually lower the dose to get the person off it.

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I'm well aware of that, I'm simply saying that full-blown legalisation would be preferable to this because I wouldn't have to spend any tax money on them.

EDIT: I'm probably going to leave this thread before I break all of Paul's new rules. . .

Sorry i got carried away.

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#35
Quote by Jakeylee111
It's been successful in other countries, why should it not work here?
Also, as someone else said, they could gradually lower the dose to get the person off it.

Well I am pretty ignorant in foreign affairs so could you name a few and see how they stack against our own countries?
#36
Yes, it should be perscribed so that they don't steal but it should also be moderated so that people cannot overdose on it.
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#37
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It's been successful in other countries, why should it not work here?
Also, as someone else said, they could gradually lower the dose to get the person off it.


I'm pretty sure they'd notice and start feeling the effects of a lower dose, even if it's a tiny percent smaller.

Regardless, they'd go through a cold turkey phase where they'd do ANYTHING for the smack.
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#38
Whats the point in that..........your just feeding the habit. Thats why methadone is prescribed, gives the junkies their fix and helps ease them off the drug.
#39
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Yes, it should be perscribed so that they don't steal but it should also be moderated so that people cannot overdose on it.

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#40
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Whats the point in that..........your just feeding the habit. Thats why methadone is prescribed, gives the junkies their fix and helps ease them off the drug.

Yes and gets them addicted to methadone, which is more addictive and more easy to overdose on than heroin.

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Approximately 379,000 (0.2%) reported past year heroin use and 136,000 (0.1%) reported past month heroin use" (USA). I don't have a clue for other countries though, i'm even having trouble with the UK.

EDIT: I'm off, but i'll argue about this more later.
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