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#1
how to i get a tone, like chimera or bullet for my valentine or even papa roach. i have a squir guitar, peavey classic 50 amp, and Boss MT-2 metal pedal
#3
Getting rid of your metal zone pedal for a start and replacing it with a quality OD pedal. Also use a guitar with humbuckers, and as already said, scooped mids, boosted highs and boosted bass on the amp.
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#4
boost the mid, bass, and gain. and maybe turn the high down a little. this should give you a nice distortion
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#6
Quote by NilesKeller
how to i get a tone, like chimera or bullet for my valentine or even papa roach. i have a squir guitar, peavey classic 50 amp, and Boss MT-2 metal pedal


well.. you're not going to get a metal tone when aiming for those bands...

But seriously, a Hi-gain, Hi-quailty amp. And at least a decent guitar with humbuckers...
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#7
to get a real metal sound -

equalization-
low- up as far as it goes
middle- about halfway
high-half way

ive never used that pedal so thats all i can tell ya...sorry. i use a Zoom 505 II pedal, and its real easy to setup real metal like.
#8
throw out the metal zone (joking, sell it).

turn your peavey up as loud as it goes (warning, get earplugs), on the OD channel. having 6L6's, that might get you close. A booster pedal mightn't hurt either.
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#9
without the pedal go, drive 10 bass 7/8 mid4 treble 9 chan vol 10 master vol play about with it.

and on the squire turn the tone knob closest to you right down, the furthest right up and vol to right up. bridge pickup.
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#10
yeah, get a new guitar because single coils dont have the 'umph' you need to get a metal tone
#12
for a start, dont listen to the idiots telling you to toss the metal zone (this is where i get flamed for dissing dave) no, its not the best distort pedal out there, but with a bit of work you can get absolutely kickass tones from it.

im not to familiar with your equipment, but theres a sticky of the ultimate settings thread, check it out. theres some pretty decent ones on there that would provide excellent starting points for you.
#13
my band mate has a metal zone and i think it sounds sh*t tbh.
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gain was set to about 8 and i cant remember the treble/mid/bass settings off hand but i'll check them later.
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#14
Quote by denied
for a start, dont listen to the idiots telling you to toss the metal zone (this is where i get flamed for dissing dave) no, its not the best distort pedal out there, but with a bit of work you can get absolutely kickass tones from it.

im not to familiar with your equipment, but theres a sticky of the ultimate settings thread, check it out. theres some pretty decent ones on there that would provide excellent starting points for you.


i'm not gonna flame you... to be fair, if you can't crank the amp, you might have to make do with the metal zone... or similar.
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#16
^very true.

Can I be safe to say a guitar with humbuckers would be a good idea?

And for settings, please don't scoop mids. It's inhumane.
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#17
The Mt-2 isnt that bad, Ive got one and it took a while to get a good sound but its pretty nice now when i cant crank my amp. As for settings you could try like bass 8, high 7, and mids 5, with gain set to how you like. It gives a slightly scooped sound but its not to bad. Or you could try boosting your mids and keepig the bass around 8 and drop the highs to maybe 5 or 6.
#18
Quote by Dave_Mc
i'm not gonna flame you... to be fair, if you can't crank the amp, you might have to make do with the metal zone... or similar.


Cranking a Classic 50 won't get you a metal tone. At best you'd be lucky to get an oldschool punk or maybe heavy metal/classic rock, but definitely not modern.


Set the pedal like this

Level (whatever you want, preferrably low so you can crank your power tubes)

Bass: 5
Treble: 6-8
Midrange frequency: 7-10
Mids: 4

Distortion- whatever you want, usually 6-10.

Now, plug into your amp (high input if you have one) Make sure any extra stuff is off (Bright switch, for example.)

Keep the PRE gain low, you want to be able to turn your pedal off and hear clean-ish notes.

Keep the EQ flat (all set to 5)

Now, work with your EQ to get a pretty fat tone without it being too boomy. Mids will make it rounder, Bass will make it bigger, treble will give it definiton.

Presence extends the range of the "High" tone pot, so it will give you more highs and make it more open/airy/raw feeling.

Depth is the "Presence" for the lows knob.

Generally it just comes with alot of tweaking.

Start at the pedal with the EQ all flat on both the pedal and amp (mid freq turned up all the way. unmodded MT-2 are almost unusable otherwise) and then work from there.

Dial in the PEDAL first, then use small bits of amp EQ to tweak the overall tone.

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^very true.

Can I be safe to say a guitar with humbuckers would be a good idea?

And for settings, please don't scoop mids. It's inhumane.



Unless you like a nasal, round tone, you should scoop mids. You don't have to scoop all of them, but rather than having a gay EQ with the mids at 10 and bass at 5, you should have a flatter EQ which is more like B: 6 M:4 T:6 that gives you a solid tone without sacrificing alot of cut.
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Quote by NilesKeller
how to i get a tone, like chimera or bullet for my valentine or even papa roach. i have a squir guitar, peavey classic 50 amp, and Boss MT-2 metal pedal


i thought he meant real metal
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#21
Haha papa roach? Good metal tone? .. wait.. Just... Metal? Haha


Anyway 'good' metal tone = ESP w/ active EMGS - Mesa/boogie Dual rectifier. The end.

Most unoriginal people looking for SOMEONE ELSE'S tone instead of their own like that setup.
#22
just out of general curiousity, what do people consider a "good" metal tone?
as in more 80s metal...
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#23
Quote by TheDev01dOne
Haha papa roach? Good metal tone? .. wait.. Just... Metal? Haha


Anyway 'good' metal tone = ESP w/ active EMGS - Mesa/boogie Dual rectifier. The end.

Most unoriginal people looking for SOMEONE ELSE'S tone instead of their own like that setup.


no... just no...
That might not be listed as someone else's rig.. but it certainly is generic...

I'd much rather take a Jackson w/ passive Bareknuckles and a VHT Pittbull and an Xotic RC boost... cause at least then I won't sound like the next "metalhead".
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#24
ok, if you were to have a nice guitar with high output pickups, and a high gain valve amp, it would go like this:

guitar - Bridge pickup. Tone and volume on full.

effects - NONE!!!

amp -

Lead channel, Gain 4-8.
Bass - 8
Mids - between 4 and 7
Treble - 7.

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#25
Quote by xxgenocide98xx
Cranking a Classic 50 won't get you a metal tone. At best you'd be lucky to get an oldschool punk or maybe heavy metal/classic rock, but definitely not modern.


Set the pedal like this

Level (whatever you want, preferrably low so you can crank your power tubes)

Bass: 5
Treble: 6-8
Midrange frequency: 7-10
Mids: 4

Distortion- whatever you want, usually 6-10.

Now, plug into your amp (high input if you have one) Make sure any extra stuff is off (Bright switch, for example.)

Keep the PRE gain low, you want to be able to turn your pedal off and hear clean-ish notes.

Keep the EQ flat (all set to 5)

Now, work with your EQ to get a pretty fat tone without it being too boomy. Mids will make it rounder, Bass will make it bigger, treble will give it definiton.

Presence extends the range of the "High" tone pot, so it will give you more highs and make it more open/airy/raw feeling.

Depth is the "Presence" for the lows knob.

Generally it just comes with alot of tweaking.

Start at the pedal with the EQ all flat on both the pedal and amp (mid freq turned up all the way. unmodded MT-2 are almost unusable otherwise) and then work from there.

Dial in the PEDAL first, then use small bits of amp EQ to tweak the overall tone.


Unless you like a nasal, round tone, you should scoop mids. You don't have to scoop all of them, but rather than having a gay EQ with the mids at 10 and bass at 5, you should have a flatter EQ which is more like B: 6 M:4 T:6 that gives you a solid tone without sacrificing alot of cut.


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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#27
Quote by Coro
to get a real metal sound -

equalization-
low- up as far as it goes
middle- about halfway
high-half way

ive never used that pedal so thats all i can tell ya...sorry. i use a Zoom 505 II pedal, and its real easy to setup real metal like.



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#28
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how can i get a metal tone on my fender frontman 15 g ...


sorry man, not gonna happen.
i had one of those years ago, truely horrible amp.
i suggest you get yerself a nice amp cos even with a pedal that frontman thing is gonna sound nasty.
#29
I've got a Fender Frontman 15G amp. It's nothing Great by a long shot, but then again it's not a terrible amp. It makes a decent practice amp, especially when you can get them from pawn shops for 30 bucks a pop. As long as you don't crank them to volume 12 they don't do too bad.
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how can i get a metal tone on my fender frontman 15 g with a dean vx plz i need help


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#31
Quote by xxgenocide98xx
but rather than having a gay EQ with the mids at 10 and bass at 5


Excuse me?

TS, as suggested before. Ultimate Settings thread holds the answers, though you will still have to tweak a bit to find it just right on your amp.
#33
Go to one of the best music stores like Guitar Center and get Digitech Death Metal. It's the deadliest analog metal distortion pedal there is. There's no knob for gain because it's already set to 11. Instead, the four knobs are Level, Low, Mid, and High. I got it for only about 70 dollars.

Another good substitute is Boss ML-2, which is Metal Core. That would give out more metal distortion.

Say, does anyone know how to maintain the guitar tone I get at the beginning of setup? The tone seems to decrease a little all the time.

Another thing, recommend me a guitar that is very cheap with two humbuckers and a Floyd Rose tremolo unit (AND the arm for it).
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#34
the OP asked for a metal tone with what he has, he didn't ask for what to buy and sell.

just experiment with what you can get out of your amp and the pedal, if you can't find the tone you want, then yes you will need different gear.
#35
Buy a Marshall MG halfstack and scoop the mids, you'll sound so ****ing metal!
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#36
Turn the bass up high, but not all the way, turn the mid up really high or all the way if this doesn't do it, and turn the treble low, but not off. Turn the Gain up to ten, and get something with quality humbuckers. In numbers i guess it would be:
Gain: 10
Treble: 2-4
Mid: 7-10
Bass: 7-9
Volume: 11
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#37
Quote by joonhoahn01
Go to one of the best music stores like Guitar Center and get Digitech Death Metal. It's the deadliest analog metal distortion pedal there is. There's no knob for gain because it's already set to 11. Instead, the four knobs are Level, Low, Mid, and High. I got it for only about 70 dollars.

Another good substitute is Boss ML-2, which is Metal Core. That would give out more metal distortion.

Say, does anyone know how to maintain the guitar tone I get at the beginning of setup? The tone seems to decrease a little all the time.

Another thing, recommend me a guitar that is very cheap with two humbuckers and a Floyd Rose tremolo unit (AND the arm for it).

Do you people even look at the post dates?
Seriously. THis thread is from 2007. It was answered a long time ago.
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#38
THIS THREAD IS 3 YEARS OLD!
Quote by joonhoahn01
Go to one of the best music stores like Guitar Center and get Digitech Death Metal. It's the deadliest analog metal distortion pedal there is. There's no knob for gain because it's already set to 11. Instead, the four knobs are Level, Low, Mid, and High. I got it for only about 70 dollars.

Another good substitute is Boss ML-2, which is Metal Core. That would give out more metal distortion.

Say, does anyone know how to maintain the guitar tone I get at the beginning of setup? The tone seems to decrease a little all the time.

Another thing, recommend me a guitar that is very cheap with two humbuckers and a Floyd Rose tremolo unit (AND the arm for it).
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#39
The biggest mistake is turning the gain up to 10. Just because the numbers go that high does not mean you have to crank it up that high. Some times less is more.
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#40
Quote by Coro
to get a real metal sound -

equalization-
low- up as far as it goes
middle- about halfway
high-half way

ive never used that pedal so thats all i can tell ya...sorry. i use a Zoom 505 II pedal, and its real easy to setup real metal like.


Uh sorry, but he's looking for a metalcore distortion..

With the gear you have, its going to be a little hard to get that kind of distortion, but basically if you want that kind of distortion that BFMV and Chimaira have, you are going to need a decent amp with a good distortion, or a very good distortion pedal (like the Metal Muff w/ Top Boost), and to get that signature sound, you should really invest in active pickups, like Seymour Duncan Blackouts or EMGs. I would also get a BBE Sonic Maximizer (the Sonic Stomp is a great pedal for that purpose), its the icing on the cake when it comes to distortion. Even my solid state Ibanez amp sounds amazing now with it, and my Bugera stack sounds absolutely stunning.

Also your EQ (in relation to clock positions) -

Gain - 1 or 2 o'clock (you don't want too much gain, just causes too much noise)
Bass - 10 o'clock
Treble - 5 o'clock
Mid - 7 or 8 o'clock

Also adjust presence to taste.

Enjoy.

Edit: Oh shit just noticed the thread was an ancient one x_x My bad.
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