#1
I love my metalcore, and I love my Ibanez, but I don't love how it only sounds good with a ton of gain, making it good for only metal and the like.

Well, I like some mellow shit too. I'm a noob, so I'll have to ask. Anybody know what guitars (and maybe even pickups and effects) would be good for this style of music? Stuff like newer Incubus, Mutemath, The Myriad etc.? Just throw me some reccomendations so I have things to look into. Thanks. Price range is 300 to 700ish

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http://www.myspace.com/mutemath
http://www.myspace.com/incubus
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#2
What' your price range? If you're on a budget, try out an Ibanez Artcore. Very versatile guitars for a great price.
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#4
what amp are u using?
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A Rickenbacker was the best guitar I've played for cleans.
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Fender Strat or Tele, or as RHCP said a Ric. If you're looking for jazzy cleans Gretsch and Gibson hollows are good, but those are big, fat, "woumph" cleans instead of the sparkly ones of the Fenders/Rics etc.
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A Rickenbacker was the best guitar I've played for cleans.


I'd second that, or maybe a Gibson ES335.
#9
Oh my bad, price range is 300 to 700ish. I have the shitty 15 watt Ibanez amp from the Jumpstart package, but I plug it into my 360 watt stereo so it sounds awesome...(seriously). I just need better distortion effects. But anyways about the cleans, it's a common sound I'm looking for, these three bands are I'd say three of three million examples . Thanks guys.

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http://www.myspace.com/incubus
#10
you need an amp. if u like cleans check out a tube amp
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you need an amp. if u like cleans check out a tube amp


he has a amp....how could he play metal without a amp? (nvm i didnt see his second post)

And tubes clean are good compared to solid state.
But tube overdrive pwns any distortion a solid state can make.
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#13
I have the shitty 15 watt Ibanez amp


^..

edit: ok nvm i see, u see.
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haha okay okay. What amps should I look into? keep in mind that what I play varies from metal to this mellow stuff.
#15
new amp.

also, have you considered switching one of your ibanez' pickups (say, the neck one) for a more vintage output to get better cleans? that can work well, and you still have your firebreathing bridge pickup for the metal. cheapest option too, as long as you like your ibanez.
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new amp.

also, have you considered switching one of your ibanez' pickups (say, the neck one) for a more vintage output to get better cleans? that can work well, and you still have your firebreathing bridge pickup for the metal. cheapest option too, as long as you like your ibanez.

I've thought about that, but my friend made it sound like my guitar sucked for cleans no matter what, I guess he just didn't mention the pickup option. So if that works, what are good pickups for cleans?? I'm a noob
#17
the stratocaster pickup positions neck and neck/middle are probably some of the best cleans ive heard

edit: nevermind. if your after an amp for cleans i suggest a fender blues jr. i played one at the shop and it was great. for metal youd definately need a pedal and even then you could probably get a better metal sound out of a different amp though.
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#18
check out a peavey windsor tube amp.

a blues junior is nice but takes a lot to get metal out of it.

also check out traynor amps.
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I would suggest the Blues Junior or Hot Rod Deluxe. Amp > guitar.
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#21
For the pickup route, what Ibanez do you have? It'd be nice to know, so that good suggestions could be made. Don't want to recommend a single-coil for a humbucker slot or anything.
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I've thought about that, but my friend made it sound like my guitar sucked for cleans no matter what, I guess he just didn't mention the pickup option. So if that works, what are good pickups for cleans?? I'm a noob


your friend doesn't know what he's talking about, then. Be wary of any future advice he gives you too. EDIT: that sounds a bit harsh, I don't mean it in a harsh way- but if he didn't think of changing pickups, that's a pretty big oversight.

It really depends what your budget is for the pickups (and where you are in the world, as that affects prices and availability)- but as a general rule, you want something lower in output, along vintage lines. But not too vintage, if you're planning on putting a mental distortion bridge pickup in in the future.

The Seymour Duncan '59 works pretty well in the neck for that type of application- it's pretty vintage, but is hard enough sounding to work with more overdrive too. But there are countless other options.

a new amp wouldn't hurt too- but you may be able to afford a new pickup or two plus a new amp, and forget about the guitar (as long as you like your current guitar's playability and unplugged tone), which would make a bigger difference to your tone than a new guitar, in all probability. +1 on the amps that jenny (jj1565) suggested, that's a nice selection there.

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#24
Valve Junior head and some random cab.
Then buy some kind of strat.
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#25
Fender Jaguar or Stratocaster... you won't be disappointed.
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#26
Thanks Dave and everyone. Are the bands I posted using their amps alone for their usual cleans, or are they using any effects? Chorus, delay or anything? My amp has reverb.
#27
^ i'm guessing it depends on the song. i know incubus are noted for using loads of fx, but really, there are only really two or three fx that you use to spice up cleans- reverb (which you have covered), delay (similar to reverb, just more of a discrete echo), chorus, tremolo, and phaser (rarely). and to be honest, if all you want is an improvement, and not a specific effect, any one of those would do nicely. At the end of the day, unless you're really strapped for cash, you should be using fx to complement your cleans, not totally take them over...
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#28
for really good cleans
I bet you could get a used gretsch for around 700ish
if you wanted to take the hollow body route
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^ i'm guessing it depends on the song. i know incubus are noted for using loads of fx, but really, there are only really two or three fx that you use to spice up cleans- reverb (which you have covered), delay (similar to reverb, just more of a discrete echo), chorus, tremolo, and phaser (rarely). and to be honest, if all you want is an improvement, and not a specific effect, any one of those would do nicely. At the end of the day, unless you're really strapped for cash, you should be using fx to complement your cleans, not totally take them over...

I mean "usual" cleans, like are they using an effect(s) almost throughout the songs for cleans? I guess I shouldn't have listed Incubus, I meant just the intro to Anna Molly. I don't know what all I need to get the cleans I want - guitar, amp, pickup, effect - I don't know if I need one or the other or all of it. All I know is that I hate cleans on my Ibanez alone. I can't get anywhere close to what I want - even after trying reverb. So I'll just try shit out at Music World and/or Guitar Center.
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#30
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check out a peavey windsor tube amp.


I happen to be seriously looking into the Windsor series, primarily the Studio (15 watt class-A tube combo). Its around $500 CAD. Sweet deal on it, however they don't come out in stores until May or June.

15 watt combo
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Spring Reverb
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Has been compared in sound to JCM800/Plexi.

However, I have contacted a Peavey retailer near me about the Windsor, and he says the cleans aren't the best. "Not very clean but great for heavy Classic Rock and early Metal".(Copy-paste from the email)
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#31
^yeah that combo looks really sweet. but it took a long time for us to even get the head/cab series around here.
i cant even imagine when the combo will be available.

if u have laney 15Rs around plug one in, see if that's more ur style.
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^ yeah. the windsor cleans aren't amazing, but are alright when you roll down the guitar's volume. I wouldn't call them terrible.

That 15 watter windsor, based on what the 100 watter is like, could be a very nice amp.
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#33
For cleans you can't beat a nice semi-hollow or hollowbody. Things like a nice Gretsch or Gibson ES335.
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#34
guitars
Fender Strat (in my opinion the best option for cleans)
epiphone casino
Ric 360 (great for jangly cleans, maybe not quite what you're looking for)

amps
fender blues jr. (won't work for high gain applications very well)
fender hot rod deluxe
crate v1512 or v3012 (great cleans, also has quite a bit of gain in reserve)
marshall DSL 401 (not as good cleans, but great od)