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#1
Ok basically I am looking to achieve some clean tones a la most Frusciante, SRV, John Mayer has some good cleans as well. Obviously a lot of tone comes from their fingers, and I think of couple of their tones are achieved with Twin Reverbs which I cannot afford. So basically I am looking at some Fenders, but am not sure which are best at $600. I am looking to buy used but there are so many Fender amps under that price range. How are the Blackface Bassmans? I have actually tried out a couple of the models in my price range, but do not remember how they were as it was years ago. I recently tried out a Hot Rod Deluxe with a Strat, and thought it was pretty good, but I was wondering if I could do better in my price range. Thanks
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#3
I've seen twin and bassman reissues go for about $600 used, just keep your eyes open.
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#5
You can get a 70s twin reverb on ebay for 600 easy, or the early 90's fender "the twin" which has a gain channel on it. Pretty much fender is the way to go for clean tones.
#6
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Yeah, obviously Fender makes great amps for cleans, but can anyone be a little more specific. Oh, and another thing I have been trying to figure out for a while - how do the Vox Ac15/30's compare to Fender cleans? I have never gotten to play either of the Vox's but many people swear by their cleans - so what is the difference between that and a Fender clean?
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#7
any TUBE fender........get blues junior, twin reverb, bassman, deville, hot rod anything they all mostly sound the same in my opinion (at certain volumes) but check them out. guitar center is always loaded with fenders...
#8
and btw....frusciante uses marshall, srv used a fender (soldano very late in his career and john mayer uses two rocks
#10
Yeah I know SRV used a Fender, and despite what many say about Frusciante using a Marshall, it is rumored that he keeps a Fender twin backstage for his actual clean tones - which I think it makes sense as I have never heard that kind of a tone from a Jubillee or a JMP-1 which are the amp + preamp he uses onstage. Arg, I still don't know anything about which Fender though.
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#11
Check out Fender's Blues Deluxe. The Hot Rod is based on this amp, but has an extra gain stage that you don't need. I like the sound of it better than the Hot Rod, could be that extra circuitry is muddying up the tone. Probably the best you'll do in your price range new.

If you're willing to venture into the wild world of vintage gear, the Bandmaster is a great, under the radar amp from Fender. I like it better than the Bassman. But you can often find these things in that same $600 range. Just gotta look.
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#13
Yeah I am definitely looking at buying used.
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#14
early, pre-Magnavox Ampeg tube amps are widely regarded as some of the finest clean amps with the most headroom. these would include the Ampeg V4, VT-22, and VT-40. i own the VT-40 and it is phenomenal. i even modified it to be used with 6550 tubes (instead of the 7027s it has stock) for even MORE clean headroom. in my opinion, THE best tube amp for cleans for the money. i bought my VT-40 for $450 on eBay. seems like one of their amps is always for sale over there.
#15
An older peavey classic series amp has probably the best cleans ive heard in its price range. I got my 50 watt head for around $350.
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#16
fender twin reverbs are def a high contender. I've seen Mayer playing them at a couple small gigs before and SRV used fenders, Not sure which though. But the twin reverbs are nice stuff. You'll like them, much better then the hot rod devilles imo. And the blues jr shouldn't even be considered at that range.

Otherwise, check some magnavox amps, actually any vintage 60s amp really, a lot of them have really nice clean tones that you'll orgasm over.
#17
Yeah, but I have yet to find a Twin Reverb going for $600. Maybe I just need to look harder? And yeah, I can probably do better than a Blues Jr.s or Peavey Classic in my price range.
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#18
you can usually find a hot rod deluxe on ebay for $400.

$600 new online. Maybe try an ampeg superjet. one clean channel, sounds pretty sweet and jazzy.
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Yeah, obviously Fender makes great amps for cleans, but can anyone be a little more specific. Oh, and another thing I have been trying to figure out for a while - how do the Vox Ac15/30's compare to Fender cleans? I have never gotten to play either of the Vox's but many people swear by their cleans - so what is the difference between that and a Fender clean?


They are different. Neither is better, and both can do the same styles equally well.

I'd generally take the Fender for blues. But the AC30 has much better overdrive, and the clean rock for blues as well.

I'd say the Vox has chimey cleans and the Fender has sparkly cleans, but this all changes depending on your guitar and your playing style.
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#21
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early, pre-Magnavox Ampeg tube amps are widely regarded as some of the finest clean amps with the most headroom. these would include the Ampeg V4, VT-22, and VT-40. i own the VT-40 and it is phenomenal. i even modified it to be used with 6550 tubes (instead of the 7027s it has stock) for even MORE clean headroom. in my opinion, THE best tube amp for cleans for the money. i bought my VT-40 for $450 on eBay. seems like one of their amps is always for sale over there.


Agreed, I found my old VT-22 head for a paltry $500 and it has the most God-like (as well as versatile and loud) cleans I've ever heard. Amazing amps and usually very inexpensive on Ebay.
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#22
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SRV used fenders, Not sure which though.


Vibroverbs; which go for 5000$ now (they were only made for two years), and the reissues cost a bit over 2000$. My uncle has one (an original), the bastard.
#23
while Vox is great, you're not going to get a ton of headroom with an AC model. at 15 or 30 watts, it'll break up way too early to stay clean at loud volumes. SRV played through '59 Fender Bassman 4x10 combos.

i don't know if you need a combo or a head, but you can find silverface Fender Bassman 10s for under $600. also, look at Fender's Vibrolux and Vibro Champ, Music Man's HD130, and i still highly recommend a Ampeg V4, VT-22, or VT-40.
#24
Yeah it sounds like the Fender may work better, because I don't really care much about the overdrive channel as I have other amps that will perform that better. Arg, now I just have to pick one of the millions of new, reissues, and vintage Fenders.
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#25
There really is a wide range of amps that'll do the job for you. Keep an eye on the used market, and get the best deal you can.

I took a quick look at your local Craig's List, and saw a Fender Hot Rod DeVille for $425, a Mesa F-30 (nice cleans!) for $600, a Mesa Nomad for $625, a Fender Bassman head for $400, and a Fender cab for $200. That's just what's up today.

Those guys are begging for your business.
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Yeah it sounds like the Fender may work better, because I don't really care much about the overdrive channel as I have other amps that will perform that better. Arg, now I just have to pick one of the millions of new, reissues, and vintage Fenders.


ampeg superjet may be the way then. since my last post, I managed to get ahold of one to play on...... OMFG! great cleans, I prefer them to fender'sm but that's just because I prefer more warm, jazzy tones than sparkly fenders.
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Check out Fender's Blues Deluxe. The Hot Rod is based on this amp, but has an extra gain stage that you don't need. I like the sound of it better than the Hot Rod, could be that extra circuitry is muddying up the tone. Probably the best you'll do in your price range new.


+1

alternatively, look at some of the older fenders, as slats also said.
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#29
Yeah I liked the Hot Rod Deluxe, but I am definitely ok with going (even if I got a Blues Deluxe I would probably buy used). I still am confused on the tone of the Bassman. It is obviously quite old, and is one of the models I have never gotten to play. Why would anyone choose it over say - a Twin Reverb other than because of the price sticker, as I have seen some in the same range as Twin Reverbs. Ie what is the difference tonally? I guess currently I will look at the Ampeg, Blues Deluxe, Bassman, the Twin, and maybe even that Carvin, but currently the Twin is on top.
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#30
Did you click on that link to your Craig's List? There's a Bassman there for $400!

Anyway, the Bassman originated as a bass amp. It's tone is reflective of that, mellow and, well, bassy. I dig the Fender clean sound, but I like it bright and chimey. I plug into the bright side of my amp, and pull the bright knob when I'm playing cleans.

Other people swear by the Bassman. You really need to check it out for yourself.
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#31
I have one of the old Ampegs and I love it. All the goodness of Fender clean (Both the Chime and the Shimmer) with added balls and it's own unique voice. Loves pedals too.
#32
Yeah I did check Craigslist and at $400 I am tempted to buy it, but probably shall not as I am not fond of a reallly bassy tone. I want a little more sparkle.
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#33
That's a great price for the Mesa F-30, too. Some of the best cleans Mesa ever produced.
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#34
Yeah, but at 30 watts and using it solely for cleans - I figure I might want some more headroom. Also I feel like I would be paying for a lot of features i would not use - since the F-30 is loaded with features - along with a nice distortion, and I would somehow feel bad if i bought it and used it merely for the cleans.
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#35
Used Deluxe Reverb reissue?

Vintage Fender Bassman?
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#36
Well im sure Frusciante uses a Twin Reverb for cleans when he's recording.....I've seen them go within your price range just keep your eyes open. If not, there are too many great sounding fenders to name, you just have to go out and try them. Also the peavey classic series have a nice clean sound or maybe an AC 15 although they don't have a huge amount of headroom...
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#37
^He doesn't use them.

Anyway, look around for the amps I suggested and see if you can find some in your price range.
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#38
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^He doesn't use them.

Anyway, look around for the amps I suggested and see if you can find some in your price range.


Didn't he use one in Funky Monks?
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#39
Yeah I think it is probably gonna be a Twin or a Blues Deluxe. I am really concerned about the headroom on the Ac15 and cannot afford the Ac30. I still need to look into those Ampegs though.
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#40
^ The Reverberocket is a cool amp. Definitely worth a look.
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