#1
does anyone know where i can find that video clip of the daily show with the about conservative punks? it features michale graves and brendan kelly...hope this doesn't get closed, i have been looking for three hours now and wanted some help.


thanx
#5
Punk lefties and righties are retarded in my opinion. Why can't you just make your beliefs based on your own opinions and not others.
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#6
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Punk lefties and righties are retarded in my opinion. Why can't you just make your beliefs based on your own opinions and not others.


Wow, aren't you an Anti Flag fan?

Thats a surprisingly sensible comment comming from an Anti Flag fan
#7
Punk has always been a way to say F**k you to the goverment and society, thats how it got started, so there is no such thing as conservative punk, but believe what you want
#8
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Wow, aren't you an Anti Flag fan?

Thats a surprisingly sensible comment comming from an Anti Flag fan


Lol no I'm not a fan really but I do own 2 cds of theirs. Thanks for the support.
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#11
Hahaha, what a great Daily Show video. Michael Graves might very well be mentally retarded, though. No reason to start a flame war here, but come on...conservative punks? WTF?!
#12
Quote by Iluvpowerchords
Wow, aren't you an Anti Flag fan?

Thats a surprisingly sensible comment comming from an Anti Flag fan


Not all anti-flag fans jump the wagon, infact most do from their own beliefs, they just usually agree with what they have to say. Like any other band promoting a certain belief. Hopefully, that will teach you not to make generalizations.
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Not all anti-flag fans jump the wagon, infact most do from their own beliefs, they just usually agree with what they have to say. Like any other band promoting a certain belief. Hopefully, that will teach you not to make generalizations.


But I was joking, hence the

The internet sucks at sarcasm...
#15
I voted for Nader, i think Nader is the shit.
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#16
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I voted for Nader, i think Nader is the shit.


Oh Hellz yeah. I'm down with the Ralph man.

I hate people who discourage third party supporters. Third parties are important.
#17
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I voted for Nader, i think Nader is the shit.

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Oh Hellz yeah. I'm down with the Ralph man.

I hate people who discourage third party supporters. Third parties are important.


The bad thing (if you're not into conservatism) about voting Green is that the more liberal vote is split between Green and Democrat, giving more potential votes to the conservatives. Voting sucks. =D
#20
We need to have run-off elections. That would at least give the third party some chance. People would be more willing to vote for a third party if they knew that in the end, their vote would be between the top two candidates anyway and the third party wouldn't just be a waste of votes.
#21
I hate republicans and democrats (the politicians, not the people)
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#22
I think america is ****ed for having a two party system, i agree with some issues on both sides, and highly disagree with issues on both sides. I think people just need to start voting independent, i think if you can vote, you should. Don't say voting is not punk, letting people choose for you rather than speaking your mind is not punk.

I saw "Who killed the electric car?" last night, and Mr. Nader was in it talking. Good movie, more people need to see it.
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#23
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I think america is ****ed for having a two party system, i agree with some issues on both sides, and highly disagree with issues on both sides. I think people just need to start voting independent, i think if you can vote, you should. Don't say voting is not punk, letting people choose for you rather than speaking your mind is not punk.

I saw "Who killed the electric car?" last night, and Mr. Nader was in it talking. Good movie, more people need to see it.

I agree 100%
#24
Who Killed The Electric Car is a great movie. everybody should see it
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#25
well Michael Graves just went up in my book. I'm sick of seeing all these liberal bands and I want to see some conservative ones for a change.
#27
Quote by punkrock171
Punk has always been a way to say F**k you to the goverment and society, thats how it got started, so there is no such thing as conservative punk, but believe what you want


Well, fiscally, conservatives want less government control...

Besides, the people affiliated with conservative punk are pretty much all libertarians (which are for no government interaction unless protecting the innate rights of human beings).. they just chose the title of conservative punk to piss off whiney cunts like you.
#29
Michale Graves is a douche for the reason that he ruined the Misfits with Jerry Only. And he's a "conservative punk".
#31
Quote by RockThe40oz
Well, fiscally, conservatives want less government control...

Besides, the people affiliated with conservative punk are pretty much all libertarians (which are for no government interaction unless protecting the innate rights of human beings).. they just chose the title of conservative punk to piss off whiney cunts like you.


True, but the generally laisez-faire attitude of Conservatism keeps wealth in the hands of the wealthy, and doesn't provide support for those without wealth, particularly in terms of public services like healthcare and education.
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True, but the generally laisez-faire attitude of Conservatism keeps wealth in the hands of the wealthy, and doesn't provide support for those without wealth, particularly in terms of public services like healthcare and education.


So you're in support of the government butting into people's lives to give them something they didn't earn? That's not very DIY or punk of you

(I kid... My point is that he said that punks are all for less government, when the fact of the matter is, most punks support a more socialist form of government whether they realize it or not)
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well Michael Graves just went up in my book. I'm sick of seeing all these liberal bands and I want to see some conservative ones for a change.



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#34
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So you're in support of the government butting into people's lives to give them something they didn't earn? That's not very DIY or punk of you

(I kid... My point is that he said that punks are all for less government, when the fact of the matter is, most punks support a more socialist form of government whether they realize it or not)


It really depends; the punk ethos could also be construed as a matter of having the freedom to do as you wish. This might seem to be in support of a Conservative style of government, but it could also be in support of a more Socialist style of government.

Which is to say; while it may seem that "do what you want" is a matter of Conservatism, in fact, Conservatism is much more controlling system, because it engenders greater reliance on conforming to a specific lifestyle, whereas Socialism engenders greater freedom to non-conform.
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Which is to say; while it may seem that "do what you want" is a matter of Conservatism, in fact, Conservatism is much more controlling system, because it engenders greater reliance on conforming to a specific lifestyle, whereas Socialism engenders greater freedom to non-conform.


It depends on which half of the policies you look at.

Fiscal conservative ideals provide more freedoms for running your business the way you want without the government saying you have to do the same thing as every other business. Their social ideals are more old-fashioned and in favor of all individuals acting a certain way.

Socialist fiscal ideals are very controlling and don't allow you much freedom in that aspect. Their social ideals are pretty open.

Libertarianism (which is what most of the people, including the creator, at conservative punk belive in) basically combines the fiscally conservative and socially liberal ideals together.

Basically, the way I see it..

Conservative: Good for the country and big business, bad for the common individual
Liberal: Good for the individual and small businesses, bad for the country and big business
Libertarian: (Theoretically) good for everybody. (Practically) could go either way.
#36
Well, I personally don't see how it's possible to separate fiscal and social politics;

Simply because the Fiscal policies have a strong effect on the social policies and the reverse.

Which is to say, what's good for big business is by de facto bad for small business.
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Well, I personally don't see how it's possible to separate fiscal and social politics;

Simply because the Fiscal policies have a strong effect on the social policies and the reverse.

Which is to say, what's good for big business is by de facto bad for small business.


It depends on the convictions of the people that the constrictions are applied to. Theoretically, large companies that jack up prices would fail because people would buy the same products at a lesser price somewhere else. Similarly, nobody would work for nothing when there is somebody willing to pay them more to do the same work.

Unfortunately, people are stupid and will pick the worst course of action for their life every time they're faced with a decision.

Oh.. and saying fiscal and social policies are directly linked is wrong.. just because you don't have regulations on big business doesn't mean you have regulations on what people can do with their lives.
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#38
Quote by punkrock171
Punk has always been a way to say F**k you to the goverment and society, thats how it got started, so there is no such thing as conservative punk, but believe what you want

Yeah and right now their is nothing more punk at least were i live to go yeah i'm a ****ing conservitive.
the liberal and the progresive secular movment have infaltrarted our schools I now have to change my opinions to be more liberal more friendly less offensive.

You want to know who the worst polititians are the liberals I'm sick of al gore telling me to help the enviorment when he has a electrical bill nearly four times that of my familys house.

and the very thought of the reverse racisim none as affermative action makes me sick if i were a white male with no religon i would have no chance of scholarships for racial resons. I would be If you dont mind me quoting black flag the "white minority"

P.s. I'm not a nazi two of my grandparents are holocaust survivors andI'm against all racisim