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...but Im not sure what to get. I know nothing about computers, except how to type fast, and use one in general. Therefore, I dont know what to look for to get it to do everything I want it to do.

I basically want it for the internet (DSL or Cable), online multiplayer games like Counter-Strike (Half Life) and Halo, etc... also games like GTA San Andreas and SWAT 4 and Rainbow Six, as well as downloading music from Limewire. These things arent too demanding...and Im sure 90% of the computers out nowadays can do this. I just want to make sure whatever I buy can before I make a purchase.

Can someone tell me the minimum specs I would need for a computer to do all this without any problems? Also, give me the basic gyst of what all the specs for a computer are and what they do and mean (ie...what the hell is a MB of Ram, and whats a Pentium 4?!?!) I dont need a gaming computer, so dont tell me to go out and get a $3000+ computer that I dont need. It doesnt have to be great, just good enough to do all of the above flawlessly.

Im looking to spend no more than $1000, but the cheaper the better. It doesnt have to include a monitor or anything if you find me a link to one, because I want to get a 22" LCD monitor anyway, so ill probably just get one seperately
#2
PC parts are relatively cheap nowadays. Hell you can build a really nice computer for under $1000 that would be better than any name-brand system. If you decide you want to do that I can help you with all that jibber jabber.
#3
If you only knew how to custom build your own computer a $1000 would do you wonders.
#5
Stuck on computer jargon?

http://www.helpwithpcs.com/jargon/jargonmenu.htm

should help. Alot of it is pretty simple stuff.

as for the PC, making one yourself (or getting someone who knows what they're doing (advised)) is better and cheaper than buying a complete PC.

i'll look up the recommended specs for some of those games and see what we're looking at.
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#6
Alienware?
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#7
Quote by billab0ng
What are you using now? That'll do.

Since I moved out of my parents house, I use the computer at the library at my gfs college. The computer my parents have could do anything I needed it to do and more. I dont remember the specs on it, but they paid just over $1000 including shipping with a 19" LCD monitor, cd burder, DVD burner (which I want both too) ...etc etc. Ill try and find specs on it and you guys can give me your opinion on it. Also, if I wanted to buy a complete system, whos best to look into? I know some people dont care for Dell
#8
san andreas needs
Windows 2000 or Windows XP
Intel Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon XP Processor (read = 2ghz +)
384MB of RAM
DVD drive
4.7GB of free hard disk space
128MB (or greater) Video Card

to get just that minimum spec would be cheap as. but you'd be best off going for about a gig of ram and a 256MB graphics card. preferably an AMD processor (I just find intel iffy at times) and a PCI express 16X capable motherboard. that way, it can be easily upgraded in the future (AGP is getting obselete and expensive)
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#9
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I know some people dont care for Dell


Dell's PC's are good but their tech support is utter shit. Unless, of course, you can understand an Indian accent.
#10
I would just try to build one. It honestly very easy to do. If you can read you can put a computer together, there isn't any soldering or anything like that. Heck I Could tell you exactly what parts to buy and where if you wanted me to.

OK Seriously stay the heck away from Dells. They are the worst. I am an IT major I know what I am talking about.
Last edited by Alex88 at Mar 20, 2007,
#12
Quote by Bmm386


As for a processor, at least 2ghz should do for games.


Hell, he can get a dual core for a very reasonable price.
#13
Dual processors are a must for any multi-tasker. I'm getting a new computer soon, and it's being custom built. I'm getting dual processors for sure.

If you plan on using Vista, GET 2 GB OF RAM!!! 1 gig will make it run choppy and slow, anything under is useless. 2 OR MORE GIGS OF RAM (RAPID ACCESS MEMORY)!
#14
You sure you don't mean random access memory, computer whiz?

Go to newegg for computer parts or a computer. Great prices, good products.
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#15
Build it yourself.... Follow instructions.

Go here

http://www.newegg.com
here
http://www.tigerdirect.com
here
http://www.ebay.com

Search newegg and tigerdirect for parts, then check ebay to see if you can find them cheaper.

Get these parts.

Motherboard
CPU
(Make sure you buy the correct cpu for the motherboard. Example: socket AM2 motherboard, needs a socket AM2 CPU)
Note: Most motherboards come with network cards/video/sound..
If it doesn't have one of those devices then simply purchase that peice...
Power supply
Hard drive
DVD-RW...There cheap now, no use buying a cdrom.
Memory sticks. Make sure you get the correct memory stick type for the board. Otherwise, it won't physicaly fit.
Computer case

You may also need to purchase a legal copy of Windows. You can only use your XP disc on 3 different machines. XP Pro is now 130 new I beleive. or get vista, or linux(free but not for beginners).

The first computer I ever built I was pretty clueless, although it was basically a kit and all the parts that were there were all compatible. Just needed assembled.

You will learn ALOT. And job wise, computers is where it's at.

Or you can call Dell from your couch and tell them what you want a computer for.

EDIT: Newegg and tigerdirect also have barebone systems also... If you really want the lazy way you can go that route, but you may need to buy a dvd drive or a whatever part isn't included. Usually the barebone systems include power supply case, Motherboard, memory, cpu, maybe hard drives...
Last edited by JDawg at Mar 20, 2007,
#16
For a dual-core, get a Pentium D from Newegg.com.

Works like a truck, overclocks to 4+ Ghz under proper cooling conditions, and comes standard at around 2.8 Ghz at a little over $100 (shipping included).

For what you want to do, it should be perfect without overclocking.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819116253
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#17
Don\\\'t listen to the people who suggest you to build your own. Yes, it\\\'s cheaper, but seeing as how you are not an avid computer user, you will most likely not know how to set up your computer correctly. Setting up your computer correctly requires a lot of time, research, risks, and there\'s also driver/firmware/BIOS installations and all that jazz. I strongly recommend against building your own computer for now.

What I would do is go to www.cyberpowerpc.com

This site is extremely good and has been computer magazine editors\\\' picks numerous times. In this site, you are able to customize your computer part by part and if you choose one of the Free Shipping base models, you should be able to get free shipping even if you customize it.

From that site, scroll down to the page till you see the Free Shipping deals. Then choose the cheapest setup with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor. From there, it will take you to the customization page in which you will pick the computer components one by one.

A good setup would be:

Processor (CPU): Intel Core 2 Duo 2.13 GHz
RAM (memory): 2 GB (although you can also select 512 MB or 1 GB and then buy more RAM for cheaper on eBay)
Harddrive (HDD): 250GB - 300GB @ 7200 RPM
Graphic Card: nVidia GeForce 7300 GT 512 MB
Soundcard: Hi-Def 5.1 or 7.1
OS: Window Vista Home Premium

For everything else (Casing, optical drives, etc), it\\\'s all up to you. But the list above is a must.
Last edited by Saggy Breasts at Mar 20, 2007,
#18
Don't forget, If you buy an ATX sized motherboard, do NOT buy a mini/micro/midi ATX case. it will not fit

Micro ATX will fit in regular ATX cases though.


edit: ^Recommending Vista? why not just XP, he said he doesn't need anything special from it.
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Quote by IndieMetalhead
Don\'t forget, If you buy an ATX sized motherboard, do NOT buy a mini/micro/midi ATX case. it will not fit

Micro ATX will fit in regular ATX cases though.


edit: ^Recommending Vista? why not just XP, he said he doesn\'t need anything special from it.

Buying XP now is dumb. the XP era is almost over. Why would you buy a soon-to-be-out-of-date operating system?

It\'s better to be ahead now because even though Vista is still not the standard yet, it will be soon.
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Quote by Saggy Breasts


A good setup would be:

Processor (CPU): Intel Core 2 Duo 2.13 GHz
RAM (memory): 2 GB (although you can also select 512 MB or 1 GB and then buy more RAM for cheaper on eBay)
Harddrive (HDD): 250GB - 300GB @ 7200 RPM
Graphic Card: nVidia GeForce 7300 GT 512 MB
Soundcard: Hi-Def 5.1 or 7.1
OS: Window Vista Home Premium

For everything else (Casing, optical drives, etc), it\'s all up to you. But the list above is a must.


Good set-up, but for the love of god, just get XP pro. Vista just is not worth the headache until a service pack is released.
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Quote by Saggy Breasts
Buying XP now is dumb. the XP era is almost over. Why would you buy a soon-to-be-out-of-date operating system?

It\'s better to be ahead now because even though Vista is still not the standard yet, it will be soon.


XP era?

jesus christ, there are people out there running windows 2000. why? because it WORKS. I wouldn't tell someone to install linux if they wanted to sit and jackoff all day fragging people on CS: source would I?
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#22
Quote by happytimeharry
Good set-up, but for the love of god, just get XP pro. Vista just is not worth the headache until a service pack is released.

It\'s not a headache at all. I\'ve had it for a while now and it\'s been pretty good for the most part. Have you actually tried it or are you just jumping on the all-too-often bandwagons here on UG?

And from an economic standpoint, it makes even more sense. If you buy XP now, you\'ll have to pay for that. 100 bucks or so. And then when everyone switches over to Vista, you\'ll not only have to spend another 150 bucks on Vista, but you\'ll have to set that up by yourself. At least if you buy it now on sites like www.alienware.com or www.cyberpowerpc, they will set it up for you, with recovery disks and everything already prepared.
#23
^Who says that you HAVE to switch? any company is basically digging an early grave in forcing updates. the only reason Vista is installed OEM is because the companies get a cut of the profit.

and no bandwagon. i just know not to overdo anything. besides, why make him get Vista? its not like theres anything it does that he needs, XP does everything he needs to, and wait, hasn't vista got problems with some games, like XP did?

and recovery disks are easy to do. sleep inducing, actually.
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#24
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XP era?

jesus christ, there are people out there running windows 2000. why? because it WORKS. I wouldn\'t tell someone to install linux if they wanted to sit and jackoff all day fragging people on CS: source would I?

So you\'re saying Vista isn\'t the appropriate OS for gaming? Because that is so wrong. And anything can \"work\" but why not just get the latest? It\'s up to date, with better and more advanced features, and will be favored by most.
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Vista is very bloated for the high majority of PCs out there, and it was many useless "flare" features.

XP Home is fine for the basic user, and XP Professional is great for the moderate to advanced user. Plus, they're not NEARLY as power-consuming.

Plus, Vista has numerous bugs already, and it will be a while before a Service Pack is distributed to correct them. Methinks in a year or two, when more powerful components become mainstream, Vista will be a popular, almost necessary operating system.

But for now, XP is still the way to go for power vs. quality.
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Quote by Saggy Breasts
So you\'re saying Vista isn\'t the appropriate OS for gaming? Because that is so wrong. And anything can \"work\" but why not just get the latest? It\'s up to date, with better and more advanced features, and will be favored by most.


Yea? because you don't NEED DX10. a proper gaming PC will probably have a lightweight OS, even modified kernels to make better advantage of memory. not a blated, memory hogging piece of shit. yes, vista = security. but thats about it.

besides, like i said, people still religiously using W2k. heck, even people running ancient linux kernels, due to all probable 'breaks' that happen when you upgrade.

Quote by Riddler
Vista is very bloated for the high majority of PCs out there, and it was many useless "flare" features.

XP Home is fine for the basic user, and XP Professional is great for the moderate to advanced user. Plus, they're not NEARLY as power-consuming.

Plus, Vista has numerous bugs already, and it will be a while before a Service Pack is distributed to correct them. Methinks in a year or two, when more powerful components become mainstream, Vista will be a popular, almost necessary operating system.

But for now, XP is still the way to go for power vs. quality.


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Quote by happytimeharry
Hell, he can get a dual core for a very reasonable price.

Yeah, i only know about laptops, and i figure a desktop has a hell of a lot more processing power. Since 2ghz is the norm for processing in laptops i figured it was at least that for desktops.
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Quote by IndieMetalhead
^Who says that you HAVE to switch? any company is basically digging an early grave in forcing updates. the only reason Vista is installed OEM is because the companies get a cut of the profit.
Well, for example, Halo 2 is coming out on Vista only. Plus security is supposed to be a lot tighter on Vista, which is always a good reason. XP was not up to par on that aspect.

And it doesn\'t matter why those companies install it for you. They installed it for you, that\'s called convenience.

and no bandwagon. i just know not to overdo anything. besides, why make him get Vista? its not like theres anything it does that he needs, XP does everything he needs to, and wait, hasn\'t vista got problems with some games, like XP did?
Exactly how is getting Vista overdoing anything? It\'s just the latest OS, not a Mercede-Benz. And I\'ve played all Steam games, Halo, and other similar games that he mentioned and they all work fine. I have authority on this because I actually own it and have used it, not just judged on biased speculations and rumors.
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Quote by Saggy Breasts
It\'s not a headache at all. I\'ve had it for a while now and it\'s been pretty good for the most part. Have you actually tried it or are you just jumping on the all-too-often bandwagons here on UG?



No, I have tried it myself (IT teacher had a copy set up in the class) and even he agrees that right now it is just horrid. And what the fuck are you smoking saying the XP era is ending? People are going to still be using XP for a long ass time because it works, and people hate being arsed with upgrading. Vista is far from revolutionary and a "must" to upgrade to. It's just pretty. Only thing it has going for it is DX10. Once they get some of the compatibility issues down it will be better. It also tends to be a resource whore.
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Quote by Bmm386
Yeah, i only know about laptops, and i figure a desktop has a hell of a lot more processing power. Since 2ghz is the norm for processing in laptops i figured it was at least that for desktops.


not true. the processor architecture is the same, just some things are changed in order to keep battery life up (hence the pentium M). but laptops can =/= desktop
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#31
Quote by IndieMetalhead
Yea? because you don\'t NEED DX10. a proper gaming PC will probably have a lightweight OS, even modified kernels to make better advantage of memory. not a blated, memory hogging piece of shit. yes, vista = security. but thats about it.

Lmao, I like how you understated the importance of security. Who gives a shit about adwares and trojans, they certainly don\'t affect computers.

And memory hogging is getting to be less of an issue with more and cheaper components that have more capabilities. Years ago, using even 64 MB of RAM would\'ve been considered a memory hogging piece of shit. Technology gets more demanding over time. Big deal.
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Quote by Saggy Breasts
Well, for example, Halo 2 is coming out on Vista only. Plus security is supposed to be a lot tighter on Vista, which is always a good reason. XP was not up to par on that aspect.


Xbox = £100?
Halo2 = £20
Vista = £160

well, thats one problem down.


And it doesn\'t matter why those companies install it for you. They installed it for you, that\'s called convenience.


so if i were to come to your house and turn every room into a bathroom for 'convenience', you wouldn't care?

Exactly how is getting Vista overdoing anything? It\'s just the latest OS, not a Mercede-Benz. And I\'ve played all Steam games, Halo, and other similar games that he mentioned and they all work fine. I have authority on this because I actually own it and have used it, not just judged on biased speculations and rumors.


Exactly. its the 'latest', not the best. lets compare, say, my stepdads ford sierra G reg to an 07 plate Hummer. the sierra has been going strong since the 80's, does what it needs to with nothing special and good mileage. the hummer gets you there, uses a full tank of petrol, and looks good.

Quote by Saggy Breasts
Lmao, I like how you understated the importance of security. Who gives a shit about adwares and trojans, they certainly don\'t affect computers.

And memory hogging is getting to be less of an issue with more and cheaper components that have more capabilities. Years ago, using even 64 MB of RAM would\'ve been considered a memory hogging piece of shit. Technology gets more demanding over time. Big deal.


If you're not a complete retard, you'll never need these extra security features. I've not had spyware on my pc in months, and that was because my brother used Internet explorere on a porn site.
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Quote by happytimeharry
Only thing it has going for it is DX10. Once they get some of the compatibility issues down it will be better. It also tends to be a resource whore.

I\'ve had almost no compatibility issues. Although I didn\'t install thousands of programs to test it out, pretty much all programs that I use either \"just works fine\" or have Vista updates available.
#34
We're not primarily getting at Vista's flaws, we're mostly pointing out that he doesn't even need vista that badly. let him decide over the extra cost.
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#36
Quote by JDawg
You guys keep it up he won't want anything to do with a computer ever.




true.
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Quote by IndieMetalhead

so if i were to come to your house and turn every room into a bathroom for \'convenience\', you wouldn\'t care?
I\'m not sure what you\'re trying to say here. All I know is on those sites, the OS was sold for relatively cheap, and was installed for free.

Exactly. its the \'latest\', not the best. lets compare, say, my stepdads ford sierra G reg to an 07 plate Hummer. the sierra has been going strong since the 80\'s, does what it needs to with nothing special and good mileage. the hummer gets you there, uses a full tank of petrol, and looks good.
Well I like the interface a lot better on Vista. There\'s less hassles and more shortcuts (minus the dumb security popup).

If you\'re not a complete retard, you\'ll never need these extra security features. I\'ve not had spyware on my pc in months, and that was because my brother used Internet explorere on a porn site.

Not everyone is computer savvy like you. Especially keeping in mind that this guy said he didn\'t know much about computers. The fact is, the average internet user do get viruses/adwares fairly easily. School and public computers are set up to use IE and they are probably set up by the computer tech\'s. So that just goes to show you how common being prone to intrusion is. On my XP I have Norton and Webroot and shit still manages to pass through. It\'s inevitable. So I do appreciate extra security.
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Quote by Saggy Breasts
I\'m not sure what you\'re trying to say here. All I know is on those sites, the OS was sold for relatively cheap, and was installed for free.


what i forgot to add was something about getting home improvements, and then they'd throw that in because they'd get comission from it. the point is, the companies are installing it because its best, but because they're greedy.

Well I like the interface a lot better on Vista. There\'s less hassles and more shortcuts (minus the dumb security popup).


i thought it mimicced OSX a little bit with the widgets. and black is ugly.


Not everyone is computer savvy like you. Especially keeping in mind that this guy said he didn\'t know much about computers. The fact is, the average internet user do get viruses/adwares fairly easily. School and public computers are set up to use IE and they are probably set up by the computer tech\'s. So that just goes to show you how common being prone to intrusion is. On my XP I have Norton and Webroot and shit still manages to pass through. It\'s inevitable. So I do appreciate extra security.


but extra security is useless in the hands of someone who doesn't even use or acknowledge it. besides, i doubt vista is any more secure than any other OS. the prompt boxes will inevitably be comprimised and due to a false sense of security the user will fall for it.
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Quote by IndieMetalhead
what i forgot to add was something about getting home improvements, and then they\'d throw that in because they\'d get comission from it. the point is, the companies are installing it because its best, but because they\'re greedy.
I\'d hardly call cyberpowerpc greedy. They\'re decently priced, IMO. Besides, greedy or not greedy, my point is if you go to a site like that, they install it for you, saving you the trouble.

i thought it mimicced OSX a little bit with the widgets. and black is ugly.
I don\'t care if it mimicks OSX. Maybe I like the OSX look at heart but I want the accessibility of a Windows computer. I like the black color too. Way better than the ugly XP colors. But more importantly there are nifty features that make browsing and others a bit easier.

but extra security is useless in the hands of someone who doesn\'t even use or acknowledge it. besides, i doubt vista is any more secure than any other OS. the prompt boxes will inevitably be comprimised and due to a false sense of security the user will fall for it.
Well I\'m no consumer analyst so I don\'t know about that. It does help me personally though.
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hmmm I use a combo of Norton system works 2006, AVG, Spybot and Zonealarm along with a hardware firewall thats built into the mobo and I have never had a single virus, trojan or spyware EVER. hell, my sis was online for four months on a broadband connection with nothing more than Zone alarm and she never got a damn thing even though her comp was on almost 24/7! Why? Could be because Microsoft finally got their shit together for XP, as long as you keep up with all of your updates, there should be little to no problems, and I mean all of the updates, anti virus, spyware, firewalls, everything. To this 'average user" you continue to speak of they dont like to keep up to date, most people are just fine getting by with what they have until a problem rips them out of their own little happy land, and back into the real world. How about instead of fighting for "convience" just tell him how to keep his PC secure?

On a personal note:
2 Gb Dual core 64 bit processor (AMD is usually cheaper, but Core 2 duos are better performers)
1 Gb of ram
120 Gb Hard drive that spins at 7200 RPM (that speed has become the standard)
256 Mb PCI Express video card
If you're getting it built I would reccomend:
450 Watt power supply
Case with lots of cooling meaning 120mm fans front and rear and preferrably a side fan with an air funnel for the CPU.

This setup will work great with an XP system, if you want Vista, go with 2GB of ram and you should be all set.
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