#1
lately ive been experimenting with modal interchange, and from what ive played it tends to have a sort of jazz feel to it, is this used in jazz a bit?
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#2
Well, I'm not sure, but if it sounds jazzy, than it probably is.
What scales do you use?
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#3
ive just been messing around with G major, and doing modal interchange stuff with it
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#4
And if it isn't used in jazz, why not do it anyway? If you like it, go with it.
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ive just been messing around with G major, and doing modal interchange stuff with it


Lydian 1,2,3,#4,5,6,7

Try these. They sound pretty good for jazz and can work well with other styles too.
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#6
er....i know modes man, im not talking about a scale, im talking about something else
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#7
Certainly in "modal" jazz

In other jazz, you could probably interpret some things as changing the modes, but I don't know if that's always how the player is thinking about it.
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#8
A lot of jazz is substitutions of arpeggios for most jazz players, and less modes then most think. Modes only came along in jazz in the mid to late 50's as a way of experimentation. I personally mainly use arpeggios for things, and if i do go scalar it's with stuff like the diminished scales, the whole tone, the melodic minor, and that's about it.

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#9
If it sounds jazzy it probaly is and its probaly because you doing something minor due to the fact EVERYTHING just about is minor these days. Specifically A Minor lol
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#11
well, natural minor is barely used in jazz...apparently, most jazz guitarists don't find it very "jazzy"...they tend to substitute the dorian scale over minor chords and some half diminished - many jazz standards contain ii°-V-i chord progressions and may tend to move through the circle of fourths

in short, the jazz sound is most associated with dorian
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#12
just to clarify, as i'm kinda new at jazz. Is this modal interchange thing like playing the phrygian mode over the ii chord where one would be expecting dorian?

EDIT: or the aeolian mode, or any other mode with with a b3 that doesn't clash with any of the notes of the chord for that matter
hmmmm...
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If it sounds jazzy it probaly is and its probaly because you doing something minor due to the fact EVERYTHING just about is minor these days. Specifically A Minor lol


No...

Natural Minor isn't used as much in jazz. I guess theres no "one" scale that is a jazz scale. Sure you might think that it could be the Jazz Minor scale, but, jazz musicians go everywhere.

...or at least thats what I was told.
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just to clarify, as i'm kinda new at jazz. Is this modal interchange thing like playing the phrygian mode over the ii chord where one would be expecting dorian?

EDIT: or the aeolian mode, or any other mode with with a b3 that doesn't clash with any of the notes of the chord for that matter


it really depends on what "flavor" you're attempting to convey in a solo/song

if you used phrygian over a ii chord, the b2 would really be stressed, thus creating a different sound - of course, phrygian is a minor-based mode, so it wouldn't clash with a minor chord - it can also be used over a dominant b9 chord, but with a raised seventh - there are endless possibilities, but trying everything really gives you more tools to work with...many things look good on paper (or screen), but overall you just have to hear them
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#15
^^but was i on track with the modal interchange idea? Like playing modes that aren't normally associated with the certain scale degree that you're playing over??
hmmmm...
#16
I would say that is only really associated with modal jazz songs, like when a chord lasts 16 bars and such. If you search under my posts you'll see a thread called "Jazz Scales" and you can look at my long post that I, for some reason, couldn't post in here.

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^^but was i on track with the modal interchange idea? Like playing modes that aren't normally associated with the certain scale degree that you're playing over??



yeah kinda

its like
take C major
and C minor

and go back and forth between them, like play:
Ima7
IImi7
bIIIma7

the bIIIma7 is the third of a minor scale, not major, you switch back and forth
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