Page 3 of 8
#82
FWIW.... my computer showed your track as being 86.6378 BPM.... so I had to do quite a bit of work on it.


I'm sorry about that, I had no idea it was so far off. I've worked out how to play along to a backing track (finally) but my bass line was being played along to an automatic drum track from my keyboard, which claimed to be going at 85BPM. Last time I trust that then, although the fact that I've never recorded myself on bass before must take some of the blame. Sorry to give you so much extra work.

*listens to self mixed in*

Well, that was much better than what I was steeling myself for. Excellent job of mixing there (sounds far better than it did on my computer), although I still think I sound daft on the verses and far too simplistic on the choruses. Oh well, maybe it would sound better with some other instruments on board.

I'll download some of the other mixes and have a listen tomorrow...right now, I'm off to bed.
At a rough estimate, to provide everyone in the world with clean drinking water would cost $50bn. So far, the US Government has spent $60bn on the Star Wars system.

Which, even after the latest test in June, doesn't work.
#83
Originally posted by turinbrakes
Check your pm box

Oh btw, those intro keyboards sound awsome, great recording quality too, somehow they remind me of a cher song lol...it really cool though

Actually, I played the keys with a midi keyboard and fed it into a software synth, and just exported it into an mp3 in fruityloops, so theres no recording quality loss at all. It works out good since the software synth is more powerful and better sounding than my keyboard.
we plants are happy plants
impulse
#84
Originally posted by Dromar
alrighty bill, ive sent a revised and longer version.

I'll go grab it and mix it in tonight or tomorrow..

BTW.. if everyone has already heard Dromar's first bassline... I need the space on my site... anyone care if I delete it and replace it with newer stuff?

Thanks...
#85
Originally posted by ZsigE
I'm sorry about that, I had no idea it was so far off. I've worked out how to play along to a backing track (finally) but my bass line was being played along to an automatic drum track from my keyboard, which claimed to be going at 85BPM. Last time I trust that then, although the fact that I've never recorded myself on bass before must take some of the blame. Sorry to give you so much extra work.

*listens to self mixed in*

Well, that was much better than what I was steeling myself for. Excellent job of mixing there (sounds far better than it did on my computer), although I still think I sound daft on the verses and far too simplistic on the choruses. Oh well, maybe it would sound better with some other instruments on board.

I'll download some of the other mixes and have a listen tomorrow...right now, I'm off to bed.


Don't worry about it. I thought it was good, plus it gave you some experience on recording yourself...

Read what I wrote to Dromar and how the majority of people feel about themselves when they get to hear themselves recorded. Its the same for most people, so don't let it stop you from recording and playing your bass with other people.

Seeing as how you've worked out how to play along to the backing track while you record... why not take another shot at it?
#86
Okay...
here's the link to a first mix of Raindog's keyboards, Silenced's intro lead and Turinbrakes' chorus lead...


Not Another Dead Link?

I can't wait to get Silenced's new track of that intro... so I can take that nasty pop out of my side of the song and play around with placing his lead track in a few other choice spots.

Turinbrakes.... I think you'll like how I mixed your riffs. FWIW your way of recording made mixing it a breeze. Fantasic sounds! I'll wait to see if you notice what I did to them (very subtle, but easily noticed) before I tell you about it.

Seriously... if anyone else here is using Cool Edit Pro... go back in the thread a little and read exactly how Turinbrakes does his recordings. It really made my "job" a hell of a lot easier... plus I can get a little inventive with the track.

As I've said before... even if someone has already played in a portion of the song that you wanted to play in... don't let that stop you... just go for it! I still have all of the originals... and every single mix. I just wish I had the space available to host all of this stuff.

If there's a specific mix that you don't have and you still need it... just let me know and as soon as I read about it, I can have it back up in a matter of minutes.

Thanks guys... awsome work!

*edit* this is still in the newest mix, so there's no need for it anymore.
Last edited by Bill43 at Sep 17, 2003,
#87
Ok Bill, as promised.......just me, it only starts at like something seconds, because I had to record, and then open up the back track, but the timing should be right, minus maybe a few altered notes, cause I don't remember how to perfectly replicate it.

www.angelfire.com/musicals/kirillgurtovenko/justme.mp3

P.S. Do something cool with that!!!
#88
Originally posted by luke89
bah post it, ur solo's probably nasty.


Luke... I know this is a "democratic" site... free speech and all that, but if you have nothing constructive to say... please... and I am asking very nice with a great big , please don't post it.

If you have a real complaint, or something does really sound that bad... then let us know. I think we can all stand a little constructive criticism every now and then.

Thanks,
Bill
#89
Originally posted by Silenced
Ok Bill, as promised.......just me, it only starts at like something seconds, because I had to record, and then open up the back track, but the timing should be right, minus maybe a few altered notes, cause I don't remember how to perfectly replicate it.

www.angelfire.com/musicals/kirillgurtovenko/justme.mp3

P.S. Do something cool with that!!!


Got it... I'll add it in with the new 12 strings minus that nasty mic hit in them....

I'm already drooling over the thought of that sweet tone of yours!
#90
Yeah, it's also not just the GNX contributing to that sweet tone, people often underestimate, and tend to sway with the crowd on saying"Epihones are cheap, and poorly built". Most people that say that mearly played a few of them that weren't setup, but after an Epi LP is properly setup, oh mama, it really gets some sweet tones, and that is just with the crappy ass stock pickups, I am gonna kill some innocent children with this thing when I hook it up with my SD combo!!!!
#91
bill... i've been desparately wanting a 12 string for months now, and then i listen to this. i feel like you're personally taunting me now . a little egocentric of me, but still.... ahh... the sweet, sweet sounds...

when i listened to the first version, i couldn't help but wonder why you hadn't told us you were in semisonic, as the main chord progression is the same as in "closing time". then, i realised that it's also in "live forever" by oasis, and several other songs. but none of those songs have all the other cool stuff this one does.

i'd like to contribute something to this whole project, but my recording quality is crap at the present, and nothing i've come up with (so far) has really added anything to the many layers... this is good stuff. keep it up, everyone
Originally posted by dmal
Sound is the only real thing that matters.
taking dmal out of context... but i like the quote...
download my songs...
#92
Originally posted by ninjaadam44
bill... i've been desparately wanting a 12 string for months now, and then i listen to this. i feel like you're personally taunting me now . a little egocentric of me, but still.... ahh... the sweet, sweet sounds...

I'm not trying to "rub salt in an open wound"... but I have 2 different 12 strings. They each have very unique tonal qualities.

when i listened to the first version, i couldn't help but wonder why you hadn't told us you were in semisonic, as the main chord progression is the same as in "closing time". then, i realised that it's also in "live forever" by oasis, and several other songs. but none of those songs have all the other cool stuff this one does.

Chord progressions are generally simple... almost everything's been done before.

Anyway....
Wow! Are you way off! The little rhythm "riff" in the intro and right after the first 4 bars of distorted guitars was loosely based on a song done by a very widely known and well published band. Anyone want to take a guess at the band's name and the song? I'll tell you if you're right... hell I'll probably get tired of the guessing and tell everyone soon enough.

i'd like to contribute something to this whole project, but my recording quality is crap at the present, and nothing i've come up with (so far) has really added anything to the many layers... this is good stuff. keep it up, everyone.

You're more than welcome to record anything you want to add to it. I can possibly "fix" most bad recordings, so don't let that stop you.

FWIW, I was genuinely serious when I invited everyone to try their hand at adding to this song. That's what keeps it interesting.

You might not like the way that you sound to yourself. Just as I don't like the sound of my own singing, or my picture on my driver's license. That's just the way a lot of people are. Don't let it bother you. Making music is supposed to be fun... Try and recall why you started making your own music... it was for the sheer enjoyment of it... well.. at least it was for me... and it still is.
#93
Originally posted by Bill43
Hey!!!! I've got a great idea. You already know about the back track thing going on in riffs? Well... arienette is sort of stuck on what type of lyrics to write for it... why don't you give that a go! Your lyrics, arienette's (melting my heart) vocals and everyone else playing music with them. I really think it would come off great. I hope you'll give it a try

(that quote was from a critique on my song....which is HERE if any of you wanna critique it )

anyways, bob...er...bill....

if i can determine a definite melody for that song id love to have a go at lyrics....is there a specific theme/topic you'd like to suggest?

my rhyme scemes usually come out as AABB or ABCB; the former of which most people dont like. if you have any 'requirements', feel free to post them
#94
hey that's awsome! i like the left to right thingey you did there

i dunno if it's cos im a little bit deaf but for future mixes, could you perhaps boost my volume a little bit more, especially when its panned to one side the volume is quite soft, no big deal though
#95
Okay...
here's the link to a new mix of Raindog's keyboards, Silenced's new intro lead with a new (no mic hit) 12 string and (it wasn't a problem.. you've asked and I've done it) a 300% increase of volume on Turinbrakes' chorus lead... plus some added and changed stuff of Silenced's. I don't care for the distortion type, other small effects and levels I put on that part... it seems to be overbearing... Let me know what you think.

I also had a harder time placing Silenced's new intro riff in it this time.... it seems to be slightly off time. I didn't mess with it, other than to place it in the mix. I know you're close with what you did the first time... you've just added about a half to quarter beat between the 2 parts of the riff.


You can't because this is another Dead Link

to download the latest intro mix.

I haven't forgotten Dromar's bass licks either. I'm trying to do all this and my work too! I have to pay the bills somehow. I'll get to them ASAP and post a link here.

Anyway... any comments?

Yuck... I just cranked it up really loud and heard those nasty changes I put on Silenced's old lead riff that was put on the end... after turin's lead. They sound okay at low volumes, but cranked... they just have way too much distortion... and I don't really care for the type I used on it either. I'll be taking those back out! Maybe someone would like to place something in that portion of the song?

*edit* everything except that nasty distorted guitar is still in the newest mix. Trust me... you don't want to hear this one.
Last edited by Bill43 at Sep 17, 2003,
#96
Hey Bill, the drums just dont sound right, I dont know why. The beats fit and all, it's just the sound, and I'd rather you have no drums then stupid sounding drums, so I guess Im out...sorry.
Quote by noxiosimitator
I play guitar long then half the people here .. and I suck double as much

EDIT: on the guitar
EDIT EDIT: in playing with my guitar
EDIT EDIT EDIT: I give up
#97
Originally posted by turinbrakes
hey that's awsome! i like the left to right thingey you did there

i dunno if it's cos im a little bit deaf but for future mixes, could you perhaps boost my volume a little bit more, especially when its panned to one side the volume is quite soft, no big deal though


You've been "turned up" in this version. No problem. I can actually hear you now. Before it was more of a "blend". On the very end of your riff... where you've got the single note pouring over into the chorus (your lead is in the verse), I did a full pan back into both channels. Its sort of hard to notice, with what I've done afterwards, but its there.

*edit* I knew you would pick out what I did to your riff very quickly. I just wanted to make sure that you liked the idea.
Last edited by Bill43 at Sep 16, 2003,
#98
Originally posted by AngelOfLust
Hey Bill, the drums just dont sound right, I dont know why. The beats fit and all, it's just the sound, and I'd rather you have no drums then stupid sounding drums, so I guess Im out...sorry.


what the HELL are you talking about, there are no drums in this song......
#100
Originally posted by Bill43
I haven't forgotten Dromar's bass licks either. I'm trying to do all this and my work too! I have to pay the bills somehow. I'll get to them ASAP and post a link here.


no problem man. my teachers were actually just on strike, so i had my first day of school today, and they have piled all the work on... so my UG time will become limited

anyway, i didnt particularly like this new intro, altho silenced and turin's guitar work is quite good. I think it was just too many things going on at once, o and i did pick up on the small out of sinc-ness of it during a few parts. But hey, thats the whole point of the point of this right? To experiment and ultimately come out with something sweet-sounding.
jesus god!
Last edited by Dromar at Sep 16, 2003,
#101
Lmao, I didn't realize that you threw in my lick on that distorted part too, and I was about to start flaming BurninTrikes for stealing my licks lol!!!!

Well, I can't say that I liked what you did with my tone on the second part. Maybe I can record a newer version of that lead, with a few alterations, and a custom preset from my GNX????
#102
Originally posted by Silenced
Lmao, I didn't realize that you threw in my lick on that distorted part too, and I was about to start flaming BurninTrikes for stealing my licks lol!!!!

Well, I can't say that I liked what you did with my tone on the second part. Maybe I can record a newer version of that lead, with a few alterations, and a custom preset from my GNX????


I agree about the way I screwed up the tone on that part! It was totally my fault. Those are portions of your first recording sent to me. I tried my best to get the 12 string and synth violins out of there... I could only get so much of them out... so I tried to cover them up with some really bad sounding distortion. It only takes a second to pull them back out though.

I thought everyone could have a laugh at my expense. See... even I can screw up. You should hear some of the other accidental crap I've done with this song. Its hilarious.

Please do record some small phrases here and there... little fillers... try full measures, half measures... maybe ever a quick riff on one beat only. You can record all the "filler" riffs on one track together... just leave a little space between the different riffs... so I can see where they start and end.

FWIW... one person sent me some awesome "jazzy-blues" type of clean riffs. They reminded me of the Allman Bros. on the song Jessica. I liked the tone, but they want to keep their mix private.

Anyway... a nice mellow sort of riff would be able to sit in behind the vocals... if we get any. Just a thought!
#103
Originally posted by ohdarn323
he was gonna make drums for the song

josh...y'think its because theres so much chorus/reverb on the back track?


The back track has absolutely no chorus or reverb on it whatsoever. The 12 strings have a .005 millisecond delay on the left channel and a very slight amout of phase shifter on the right channel. All other phrases thoughout the entire song are nothing more than 2 different distortions... alone. There's nothing extra added to them at all. Distortion only.


*edit* The slight time delay and small amount of phase shifter gives you a wider stereo perspective from an original monophonic recording. It gives the listener a sense of separation. Its an old studio trick. I just thought I would share a little of the old stuff with some of you.
Last edited by Bill43 at Sep 17, 2003,
#104
Originally posted by Bill43
The back track has absolutely no chorus or reverb on it whatsoever. The 12 strings have a .005 millisecond delay on the left channel and a very slight amout of phase shifter on the right channel. All other phrases thoughout the entire song are nothing more than 2 different distortions... alone. There's nothing extra added to them at all. Distortion only.


er....yeah, i knew that

bah, i have so much crap going on tonight, i doubt ill be able to contribute in the near future....dont count me out tho
#105
Originally posted by AngelOfLust
Hey Bill, the drums just dont sound right, I dont know why. The beats fit and all, it's just the sound, and I'd rather you have no drums then stupid sounding drums, so I guess Im out...sorry.


I still wouldn't mind to try them out myself. If you like... I promise you that we can keep the drum track between me and you.

FWIW, I envisioned a simple high hat on the downbeat for the "12 string" intro... right after Raindog's keyboards.. then starting on the 3rd beat in the 4th measure... a roll through your toms ending in a couple of crash/rides until it breaks into the first verse (where turin comes in)... after that... just a simple beat to keep time with a filler of rolls and cymbals between every 3rd beat in the 4th measure and the beginning of the next verse/chorus. What I imagined for the chorus (the portions where I messed up Silenced's old lead riff and mixed it back in) was a very heavy "jungle" type of beat on the toms and maybe a double kick on the bass... with a different "filler" in the same spots. I did some tracks on a decent drum machine, but I couldn't get them to sound worth crap at 85BPM... so I ditched them.

You're more than welcome to try again... and if you want... I would love to try your previous recording of your drum track. Like I've already said.... if you want... we can keep it between ourselves. You can PM me a link to your recording and I can grab it there. No one else even has to know.
#106
Originally posted by Dromar
no problem man. my teachers were actually just on strike, so i had my first day of school today, and they have piled all the work on... so my UG time will become limited

anyway, i didnt particularly like this new intro, altho silenced and turin's guitar work is quite good. I think it was just too many things going on at once, o and i did pick up on the small out of sinc-ness of it during a few parts. But hey, thats the whole point of the point of this right? To experiment and ultimately come out with something sweet-sounding.


Thanks for understanding. like I said... I'll get to it and post a link to it soon.
#107
Originally posted by ohdarn323
(that quote was from a critique on my song....which is HERE if any of you wanna critique it )

anyways, bob...er...bill....

if i can determine a definite melody for that song id love to have a go at lyrics....is there a specific theme/topic you'd like to suggest?

my rhyme scemes usually come out as AABB or ABCB; the former of which most people dont like. if you have any 'requirements', feel free to post them


Listen closely to the synth violins. That melody.. even with inversions, can carry through the entire song. I've even sang a few verses in that melody (with a couple of extra notes thrown in it) myself... but I didn't care for the lyrics that I had written for it. IOW... that recording was erased from the face of the earth. I just wish I had a decent voice for lead vocals! Oh well...:crying2:

*edit* I can understand about "having a full plate"... homework.. my job and so on. If you have the time... anytime... just give it a shot. PM Lucy and see what she thinks about it.
Last edited by Bill43 at Sep 16, 2003,
#108
Silenced.... your PM box is full...


I don't have any extra laying around, but I did just replace some in an old cab of mine...

Here's a direct cut and paste from an Email with www.avatarspeakers.com

HI Bill..the delta 12LFs are 59 each plus 10 each shipping...available in 4,8 ohm.....the kappa 12's are 69...bigger magnet...plus 10 each shipping....8 ohm.....all in stock...Please let me know if you need ANYTHING.....dave 208.762.5251

*edit* The first link is wrong. The avatarspeakers one is the right one.
Last edited by Bill43 at Sep 17, 2003,
#109
Originally posted by Bill43
Silenced.... your PM box is full...

Here's a direct cut and paste from an Email conversation that I had with www.avatar.com


I don't have any extra laying around, but I did just replace some in an old cab of mine...

Here's a direct cut and paste from an Email with www.avatarspeakers.com

HI Bill..the delta 12LFs are 59 each plus 10 each shipping...available in 4,8 ohm.....the kappa 12's are 69...bigger magnet...plus 10 each shipping....8 ohm.....all in stock...Please let me know if you need ANYTHING.....dave 208.762.5251


COol, I will check those out when I get some money, what did you do with the ones you replaced????

EDIT: What the hell is wrong with PMing now, my inbox is clearly empty, yet no one can send me messages????
#110


Bill! Look! I finally got around to doing the piano!

It isn't anything incredibly special, just a few chords here and there, but I suppose it might fill out the sound a bit. It's supposed to start on the... hmm... fifth bar, I think? The third time that G chord comes in on the intro. If I've got time I'll do a mix of it with the rest of the backing track, so you can hear where it's supposed to go.

Right Click, Save Target As... ...although if you're not Bill, don't waste your time downloading this, because it sounds really boring on its own.

It's the ones with the sorest throats who have done the most singing...
#111
Originally posted by Silenced
COol, I will check those out when I get some money, what did you do with the ones you replaced????

They were old and worn out... I threw them away.

EDIT: What the hell is wrong with PMing now, my inbox is clearly empty, yet no one can send me messages????


I don't know. I'm not having any problems, but I do go and clean out my sent messages and message tracking areas when the other people have read what I've sent them.

I keep only a couple of messages with personal info in them... so I can stay in touch with certain people... you know.. private Email addresses... things of that nature.
Last edited by Bill43 at Sep 17, 2003,
#112
Originally posted by arienette


Bill! Look! I finally got around to doing the piano!

It isn't anything incredibly special, just a few chords here and there, but I suppose it might fill out the sound a bit. It's supposed to start on the... hmm... fifth bar, I think? The third time that G chord comes in on the intro. If I've got time I'll do a mix of it with the rest of the backing track, so you can hear where it's supposed to go.


Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You!
It just finished d/l'ing! I really do appreciate it!... I can't wait for some of your "melt me" vocals.
#113
i'm currently listening to the piano, and if you skip over the silent parts, it's not boring at all.

and bill, what famous band had this riff? i'm bad at guessing things like that.
Originally posted by dmal
Sound is the only real thing that matters.
taking dmal out of context... but i like the quote...
download my songs...
#114
Okay, here's a (very bad) mix of the piano with the rest of the backing track. It goes a little bit out of sync near the end, and some of the levels are slightly messed up, but it should give you a rough idea...

Right Click, etc, etc.

It's the ones with the sorest throats who have done the most singing...
#115
Originally posted by arienette
Okay, here's a (very bad) mix of the piano with the rest of the backing track. It goes a little bit out of sync near the end, and some of the levels are slightly messed up, but it should give you a rough idea...


Again... Thank You.
Just pulled it in!
You might want to check my response to one of your threads in the lyrics section! C'mon Arienette... its does give you something to think about!


*edit* Thanks for the pointers as to the placement of your piano. Wait until you hear it. Your playing was absolutley brilliant. I love the "rolls" you threw in around the 16th through the 24th measures. FWIW... it mixed very well... I have to play with a few levels to get it just right, but I can put one up quickly with your piano levels at a high volume... so you can really hear them over the back track.
Last edited by Bill43 at Sep 17, 2003,
#116
Originally posted by ninjaadam44
i'm currently listening to the piano, and if you skip over the silent parts, it's not boring at all.

and bill, what famous band had this riff? i'm bad at guessing things like that.


Its very loosley based on a song from the late 60's or early 70's. Think of an influential band from that era and we'll go from there.
#117
.led zeppelin jumps to mind.

well, i have an early class tomorrow, so i gotta check out for tonight. glad i could be one of the first to hear arienette's new addition to the song .
Originally posted by dmal
Sound is the only real thing that matters.
taking dmal out of context... but i like the quote...
download my songs...
#119
Originally posted by ninjaadam44
.led zeppelin jumps to mind.

well, i have an early class tomorrow, so i gotta check out for tonight. glad i could be one of the first to hear arienette's new addition to the song .


Its nowhere near Led Zeppelin... try again

Yeah.... that was placed very well in the track... I love the way it compliments the whole song. You should hear it mixed in with the rest of it... which isn't completed quite yet.

Looks like I've got my hands full today... I should have a newer mix on here in a couple of days.
#120
Originally posted by Bill43
Listen closely to the synth violins. That melody.. even with inversions, can carry through the entire song. I've even sang a few verses in that melody (with a couple of extra notes thrown in it) myself... but I didn't care for the lyrics that I had written for it. IOW... that recording was erased from the face of the earth. I just wish I had a decent voice for lead vocals! Oh well...:crying2:

*edit* I can understand about "having a full plate"... homework.. my job and so on. If you have the time... anytime... just give it a shot. PM Lucy and see what she thinks about it.


agh...i cant even hear the stupid violin synths, i dunno what im listening for...my ear is so bad

*goes to listen for the violins*