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#161
Quote by STABxYOU
I have a hard time respecting people who embrace bigotry.

What's wrong with Pagans? What makes their religious practices any less deserving of repect then any other faith group?

It's my personal opinion. It probably is as deserving of respect as all the other religions, I just have trouble giving it respect. I probably have trouble giving it respect because it is a relativly dead religion that in my eyes has no merit, and is barbaric and for people who are uneducated and are in tribes which is who it is mainly practiced by.

Just my opinion though. And I'm probably stone cold wrong.
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#162
Quote by Massive Failure
Fuck you.

What kind of name is VampireGoldfish anyway? Atleast my name is descriptive. Why don't you go back into your closet so your Dad can molest you again.


Failure.


Quote by Massive Failure
It's my personal opinion. It probably is as deserving of respect as all the other religions, I just have trouble giving it respect. I probably have trouble giving it respect because it is a relativly dead religion that in my eyes has no merit, and is barbaric and for people who are uneducated and are in tribes which is who it is mainly practiced by.


I... Er...I.... I don't even know how to respond to this.

Its as if your choosing to be this massively ignorant bigot.

My how the foolish degrade infinitely and loop indefinitely. Enjoy your mental and social ignorance, it is your bliss after all.

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just my opinion though. And I'm probably stone cold wrong.


Sweet bloody salvation, a sign of actual thought process!
A heathen, conceivably
but not,

I hope,
I’m not ashamed to be white
Vi doede ikke... vi har aldri levd
Barbarism is the natural state of mankind
Civilization is unnatural

It is a whim of circumstance
an unenlightened one
#163
Quote by VampireGoldfish
Failure.


I... Er...I.... I don't even know how to respond to this.

Its as if your choosing to be this massively ignorant bigot.

My how the foolish degrade infinitely and loop indefinitely. Enjoy your mental and social ignorance, it is your bliss after all.



Sweet bloody salvation, a sign of actual thought process!


The older sense of classical Latin pāgānus is "of the country, rustic" (also as noun). It has been argued that the transferred use reflects the fact that the ancient idolatry lingered on in the rural villages and hamlets after Christianity had been generally accepted in the towns and cities of the Roman Empire; cf. Orosius Histories 1. Prol. "Ex locorum agrestium compitis et pagis pagani vocantur." From its earliest beginnings, Christianity spread much more quickly in major urban areas (like Antioch, Alexandria, Corinth, Rome) than in the countryside (in fact, the early church was almost entirely urban), and soon the word for "country dweller" became synonymous with someone who was "not a Christian," giving rise to the modern meaning of "Pagan." This may, in part, have had to do with the closeness to nature of rural people, who may have been more resistant to the new ideas of Christianity than those who lived in major urban centers and were cut off from the cycles of nature and the forms of spirituality associated with them. However, it may have also resulted from early Christian missionaries focusing their efforts within major population centers (e.g., St. Paul), rather than throughout an expansive, yet sparsely populated, countryside (hence, the Latin term suggesting "uneducated country folk") until a bit later on.

The more common meaning of classical Latin pāgānus is "civilian, non-militant" (adjective and noun). Christians called themselves mīlitēs, "enrolled soldiers" of Christ, members of his militant church, and applied to non-Christians the term applied by soldiers to all who were "not enrolled in the army".

Both "pagan" and "heathen" have historically been used as a pejorative by adherents of monotheistic religions (such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam) to indicate a disbeliever in their religion. Although, in modern times it is not always used as a pejorative. "Paganism" frequently refers to the religions of classical antiquity, most notably Greek mythology or Roman religion, and can be used neutrally or admiringly by those who refer to those complexes of belief. However, until the rise of Romanticism and the general acceptance of freedom of religion in Western civilization, "Paganism" was almost always used disparagingly of heterodox beliefs falling outside the established political framework of the Christian Church. "Pagan" came to be equated with a Christianized sense of "epicurian" to signify a person who is sensual, materialistic, self-indulgent, unconcerned with the future and uninterested in sophisticated religion. The word was usually used in this worldly and stereotypical sense, particularly among those who were drawing attention to what they perceived as being the limitations of paganism, for example, as when G. K. Chesterton wrote: "The pagan set out, with admirable sense, to enjoy himself. By the end of his civilization he had discovered that a man cannot enjoy himself and continue to enjoy anything else." In sharp contrast Swinburne the poet would comment on this same theme: "Thou hast conquered, O pale Galilean; the world has grown grey from thy breath; We have drunken of things Lethean, and fed on the fullness of death.

Christianity itself has been perceived at times as a form of paganism by followers of the other Abrahamic religions because of, for example, the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, the celebration of pagan feast days, and other practices – through a process described as "baptising"or "christianization". Even between Christians there have been similar charges of paganism levelled, especially by Protestants towards the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches for their veneration of the saints and images.

* Paleopaganism: A retronym coined to contrast with "Neopaganism", denoting a Pagan culture that has not been disrupted by other cultures. The term applies to Hinduism, Shinto, pre-Migration period Germanic paganism as described by Tacitus, Celtic polytheism as described by Julius Caesar, and the Greek and Roman religion.
* Mesopaganism: A group, which is, or has been, significantly influenced by monotheistic, dualistic, or nontheistic worldviews, but has been able to maintain an independence of religious practices. This group includes aboriginal Americans as well as Australian aboriginals, Viking Age Norse paganism. Influences include: Freemasonry, Rosicrucianism, Theosophy, Spiritualism, and the many Afro-Diasporic faiths like Haitian Vodou, and Santería. Bonewits includes British Traditional Wicca in this subdivision.
* Neopaganism: A movement by modern people to revive nature-worshipping, pre-Christian religions, or other nature-based spiritual paths. This definition may include anything on a sliding scale from Reconstructionist at one end to New Age and non-reconstructionist groups such as Neo-druidism and Wicca at the other.
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#164
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism

Awesome copy paste.

You get better and better as you continue to pos.... shit in this thread.
A heathen, conceivably
but not,

I hope,
I’m not ashamed to be white
Vi doede ikke... vi har aldri levd
Barbarism is the natural state of mankind
Civilization is unnatural

It is a whim of circumstance
an unenlightened one
#165
on burzum.org in all the stuff about getting off the metaphorical highway and getting in touch with mother nature and walking the overgrown path that sounds like something awesome to do but in london ):

and his views about how screwed up society is is also something i can sympathise with.
and of course he makes great music and i enjoy the ambient and the guitar equally since i think his music is only a whole when you combine the ambience and the guitar in one album to make it one "experience" or as he calls it a spell
#166
I've been on a massive Burzum binge lately. Even went out in the forest to listen for a little while. Went up on a hill and Watched the sun set over the dieng trees. Listening to Burzum while witnessing this created Kind of a moment I'll remember for a long time.

Anyway, surprisingly I've found myself becoming a big fan of Daudi Baldrs. I never thought I would be into any kind of "Minimalistic" music. Seeing as metal (What I most commonly listen to) is usually quite the opposite. Surprising but my god... I can really let go to another world when I get into that stuff. Reading the Lyrics that go with that album too Really make it worth the listen. Amazing what one can accomplish with such repetative and unvarying music. It really has a unique effect.
#169
Burzum is probably the second best band to come out of Norway, (besides Darkthrone), which isn't saying much. But, the Feeble Screams from Forests Unknown album (also known as the self titled) is packed with solid mid paced riffs. Filosofem is also great. Hvis Lyset Tar Oss never did anything for me. Det Som Engang Var is much like the debut.(good)
#170
Varg is constantly changing his beliefs what he currently beliefs always contridicts his old beliefs. Now it's reasoning and science, so unlike his old norsk beliefs

though his releases with distorted guitars are great, i think the stuff on Hlidskjalf are just as awesome. Very ambientic.
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#171
Quote by metal Lover
Burzum is probably the second best band to come out of Norway, (besides Darkthrone), which isn't saying much. But, the Feeble Screams from Forests Unknown album (also known as the self titled) is packed with solid mid paced riffs. Filosofem is also great. Hvis Lyset Tar Oss never did anything for me. Det Som Engang Var is much like the debut.(good)


I don't know if I agree with Burzum being the second best band to come out of Norway, but yeah the self-titled and Filosofem are by far my favorite Burzum albums. I've heard very little off anything else, to be honest.
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#172
In a few weeks I plan on going deep into my town's forest for a few days just to live, maybe myself, maybe with a friend or something. Take enough food to last a few days, a tent and a cd player with some Burzum. I love that kinda stuff.
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#174
Quote by morbid_death
Hvis Lyset Tar Oss on limited vinyl > this thread.

This.
It's my most played album.
#175
Quote by morbid_death
Hvis Lyset Tar Oss on limited vinyl > this thread.

I have it on Back on Black Vinyl.
#177
Quote by tehbensonzorz


my friend loves Burzum, i just cant seem to get into them.

That's because your balls are the size of M&M candies.
#179
Quote by VampireGoldfish


Its as if your choosing to be this massively ignorant bigot.

My how the foolish degrade infinitely and loop indefinitely. Enjoy your mental and social ignorance, it is your bliss after all.


he may be ignorant, but you sound fucking retarded talking like that

trying way too hard.
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#180
Quote by Conservationist
I don't listen to Nazi music like Burzum, Drudkh, Arghoslent or Fullmoon.

Then again, I don't listen to far left ramblings either, like the Dead Kennedys or Nuclear Assault.


But are their any signs of nazi ideology in the music by Burzum or Drudkh? (I'm not familiar with the other bands you've mentioned). As far as I know the members may sympathise with some of these beliefs but it is not incorporated into the music (only with merchandise or a pagan swastika on Drudkh's AA cd).

Anyway, I still enjoy listening to Burzum every once in a while. Especially Filosofem and Hlidskjalf.
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#181
Quote by InfiniteSadness
But are their any signs of nazi ideology in the music by Burzum or Drudkh? (I'm not familiar with the other bands you've mentioned). As far as I know the members may sympathise with some of these beliefs but it is not incorporated into the music (only with merchandise or a pagan swastika on Drudkh's AA cd).

Anyway, I still enjoy listening to Burzum every once in a while. Especially Filosofem and Hlidskjalf.

Don't bother trying to convince him, an idiot like that doesn't deserve to listen to music this good.
#182
Burzum still remains as one of my favorite Black Metal acts. This music is untouchable.
A heathen, conceivably
but not,

I hope,
I’m not ashamed to be white
Vi doede ikke... vi har aldri levd
Barbarism is the natural state of mankind
Civilization is unnatural

It is a whim of circumstance
an unenlightened one
#183
Hvis Lyset Tar Oss is my favorite album by a landslide. I enjoy a good deal of Burzum though. While I didnt like the Daudi Baldrs album at all, Moti Ragnarokum is probably my favorite Burzum song, weird.
#185
The music.

...
A heathen, conceivably
but not,

I hope,
I’m not ashamed to be white
Vi doede ikke... vi har aldri levd
Barbarism is the natural state of mankind
Civilization is unnatural

It is a whim of circumstance
an unenlightened one
#186
Quote by VampireGoldfish
The music.

...


I agree, the music is decent. But I don't see how anything about it is as good as Filosofem. Filosofem is much colder, has better riffs, and even more expanded soundscapes.
#187
i also think Filosofem>Hvis
but those two are still my favorites, and the switch places a lot
i just love Filosofem's tone, and the vocals are great, but its hard to match Hvis's atmosphere
#188
I guess when you look deeper into black metal it's 50% Nationalistic and 50% wannebe's making "black metal" 'cause it's cool. I've listened to a lot of black metal in the past, I got bored with it. The only band I can still enjoy is Ulver. Sure Vargh is a nationalist but I think I read on his site once he isn't a nazi, he was trying to write his own philosphy or something. My guess, probably influenced a lot by nazi stuff and Paganism. It's just music, as long as it stays to music I just don't care whether the band members are fascists or what ever. I can't remember a lot of Burzum's lyrics but if I recall it correct, I don't think he had written lyrics containing very racial expressions and all that. They're not skrewdriver. Oh and FYI I'm not a neo-nazi, quite contrary as I have more left winged beliefs.

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#189
Quote by Winter Solstice
I guess when you look deeper into black metal it's 50% Nationalistic and 50% wannebe's making "black metal" 'cause it's cool. I've listened to a lot of black metal in the past, I got bored with it. The only band I can still enjoy is Ulver. Sure Vargh is a nationalist but I think I read on his site once he isn't a nazi, he was trying to write his own philosphy or something. My guess, probably influenced a lot by nazi stuff and Paganism. It's just music, as long as it stays to music I just don't care whether the band members are fascists or what ever. I can't remember a lot of Burzum's lyrics but if I recall it correct, I don't think he had written lyrics containing very racial expressions and all that. They're not skrewdriver. Oh and FYI I'm not a neo-nazi, quite contrary as I have more left winged beliefs.

Great analysis there, genius.
#190
Han Som Reiste still remains one of the greatest MIDI instrumentals I've heard.
#191
Quote by uuuuhhhhhhhh
Like I say in all off these types of threads. Euronymous had it coming to him.


**** Gayhem.


I wouldn't go that far. Sure, Euronymous (from what I've gathered) sounds like a douche.. but Mayhem is <3.
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#192
Quote by MyNameIsLame
I wouldn't go that far. Sure, Euronymous (from what I've gathered) sounds like a douche.. but Mayhem is <3.


No, Euronymous is the father of Norwegian BM. Sure he did create a sea endless Norgay bands, but he was true from the beginning. Fenriz thinks quite highly of him, and Fenriz is friends with Varg. Euro is the reason why Goatlord became A Blaze in the Northern Sky.

Fuck every Mayhem full length, though. Man, did they go downhill when Dead joined. I worship early Maniac and Messiah.
#194
Euronymous stole from the bands on his label and plagiarized his music. He deserved what he got.
#195
Quote by Psychopathology
Euronymous stole from the bands on his label and plagiarized his music. He deserved what he got.

Who'd he plagiarize from?
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#197
Black metal is almost exclusively nationalistic, because it's all Romantic (type of literature like Keats, Shelley, Blake, etc).

At least, the good bands.

But when they cross the line and become National Socialists, I refuse to listen.

Yes We Can... ignore Nazi music!

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#198
Quote by Psychopathology
Euronymous stole from the bands on his label and plagiarized his music. He deserved what he got.

I'm really interest to see a source on that. And random internet rumors doesn't count.
#200
Quote by Guitarmike123
I'm really interest to see a source on that. And random internet rumors doesn't count.

Neither does Burzum's website. Yeah, it's really easy to make it look like someone deserved a stabbing when the other person isn't there to dispute any claim you make of them.
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That's a dumb question, you know everyone in here would buy it too. I know I would!

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