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#42
You've got to be fucking kidding me

I just made this kind of guitar (it's a strat with interior effects) back in september.

My fucking god... I can't believe this.

Whatever. All I can say is....

PATENT PENDING!!!


Thumbs up man, your's is better than mine. I made the cover for mine clear. May I ask you where you got this idea?
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#43
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That is freaking awesome. I can't say I have seen a guitar this awesome since I watched Muse play live. Will there be any sound clips coming our way?

Out of curiosity, if you don't mind....how much did the guy pay for this?


Thanks. As seeing it played is possibly as interesting as hearing its sounds we thought we would try and making a short video - nothing too flash - just something for fun to put up on Youtube. When it’s done we'll post the link here in UG.

How much did he pay for this? Not something we had to agonise over. It was a gift.

Regards, RJV
#45
You've got to be fucking kidding me

I just made this kind of guitar (it's a strat with interior effects) back in september.

My fucking god... I can't believe this.

Whatever. All I can say is....

PATENT PENDING!!!


Thumbs up man, your's is better than mine. I made the cover for mine clear. May I ask you where you got this idea?

Plenty of great guitars out there with on-board effects (and a few of them are on this forum and on Project Guitar forum). Amongst others, for the past 5 or 6 years Muse’s Matt Bellamy has made a living with his several Manson guitars sporting a variety of on-board effects. The Line 6 range all have on-board effects of sorts.

Matt’s guitars provided some inspiration, but the main influence was a desire to bring some pedal controls within easy reach when playing ….. and the rest was a product of experimentation and our own creativity. I’m not aware that there’s another one just like it anywhere (what are the chances?).

Variations on the theme maybe, but then almost every guitar fits that description.

Regards, RJV
#47
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Plenty of great guitars out there with on-board effects (and a few of them are on this forum and on Project Guitar forum). Amongst others, for the past 5 or 6 years Muse’s Matt Bellamy has made a living with his several Manson guitars sporting a variety of on-board effects. The Line 6 range all have on-board effects of sorts.

Matt’s guitars provided some inspiration, but the main influence was a desire to bring some pedal controls within easy reach when playing ….. and the rest was a product of experimentation and our own creativity. I’m not aware that there’s another one just like it anywhere (what are the chances?).

Variations on the theme maybe, but then almost every guitar fits that description.

Regards, RJV

...oh.



lol well mine all started out as a science fair project. I asked Frenchy in August and he said he'd never heard of it. Well there goes my patent idea

thanks man

EDIT: I got honorable mention for the science fair on it... sucks... I spent 3 months and $200 on it- not that bad. But I still use it- really nice.

What's your source of power on it? I use a 18V cable into the wall (alternative is batteries)
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#48
wow.... its chrome.... amazing. truly amazing. you should consider a career in this..... amazing...


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#49
Thats amazing man...REALLY amazing!!

I cant believe this but I just made this thread and then I saw youre thread!!

Obviosly I dont have such lofty expectations for my build but ill try my best!!

Please check out my thread and help me out with some of my questions if you can.

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#50
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What's your source of power on it? I use a 18V cable into the wall (alternative is batteries)


There are two 9 volt batteries (in parallel, so still 9 volts overall) installed in the back of the guitar (see photo). This should last 20 hours or more of continuous use on stage or on the run, so no problem there.

But for studio use I also fitted a 9 volt input jack next to the guitar output jack (see photo) so you can use a wall wart in the studio. This jack is auto switched, so as soon as you plug a power lead in the batteries disconnect.

I thought about installing a stereo guitar output jack instead of the mono I fitted and using one wire and shield as the guitar signal out and the other wire and (common) shield as 9 volts input. I think this would work and any potential induced noise could be managed out, but there were a few hurdles to overcome when actually inserting the lead - I didn't want to risk sending 9 volts into the pickups or back to the amp, or dead shorting across the wall wort. With some thought all this could be overcome (Line 6 have done it with the Variax), but in my case it just didn't seem worth the trouble and risk .....especially since I feel that the batteries will give 20 hours or so.

Regards, RJV
#51
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Hi fellas, it's Conrad here, welcome to the forums .

Man those electronics look tight. Reminds me of this image from the Warmoth forums.


That is insane

The guitar looks great man, congrats on it

Im loving the electronics side to, great work!
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#52
wow sooooooooo cool
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#53
i really dont like the whole mat belamy thing, but you did a good job
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#54
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i really dont like the whole mat belamy thing, but you did a good job


I like the way Matt has challenged and stretched the conventional technology of a guitar. For my part, in building this guitar, it's been huge fun working out how to configure all the effects and squeeze them into a guitar so that it :

- fits
- works
- isn't heavy
- is still accessable for repairs and mods
- plays well, and
- looks pretty good

.... when often you have to compromise one or more for the others.

With so much to choose from in "conventional guitars" (both generic models and "customs") I figured if I was going to spend several hundred hours and several thousand dollars building something from scratch it may as well be unconventional.

Regards, RJV
#55
Well, looked ad this again and..
I hope that constructive critique is appreciated:

It's gonna scratch like a bitch, I would contemplate some more preservation for the chrome
I would make the lower horn normal (well, a question of taste, I hate those "organic" cutaway horns), a normal lenght pointy horn would look killer.
The trem routing looks like it could use some steel inside. Or perhaps some more attention.
How about hiding some switches inside push-pull pots? (The guitar looks veeery cluttered)

And another taste thing: you will, as metallica sung "burn your face upon the chrome" when while onstage the lights will be pointed at your guitar. Looks cool, but good luck soloing if you cant see shit. Plus, instead of painting it metallic silver, I'd try black.

That is why people rarely use those funky gibson new century guitars onstage.

Trust me.

Awesome job, nevertheless.
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#56
HALLO HALLO HALLO!!! haha i joined up to this thing just so i could see pics of it. it is SO HOT OMG i want one. can you make me one??? and put like a MASSIVE picture of alex on the back? i'd love that. thanks! how much did it cost to make by the way?
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#57
ARGH how can people NOT like matt bellamy??? it's so weird, in this country i am in where he is from, hardly anyone knows about him. i am now known as the musical one, not because i have any spectacular musical talent (because i don't) but because all i talk about is music, bands, guitars, and songs. huh.
i think you should call the next one the Harpie. look it up, they're cool.
#59
Re post from Binjaja

Thanks. Yes, the critique is very much appreciated – always looking for even better ideas for next time !!

It’s worth highlighting that since the owner wanted a distinctly mechanical look to the guitar this was the key driver in choosing a predominantly chrome finish. This also meant he was comfortable with (indeed preferred) having extra controls on the front. Also, once it’s decided which effects are to go on-board this dictates how many controls need to be placed somewhere. If you have played with the Fuzz Probe, Pitch Shifter and GK-3 you would know that some controls just have to be easily accessible and on the guitar front (to achieve what we set out to achieve – otherwise I may as well have built a conventional guitar and the effects could stay on the floor).

You mention “more preservation for the chrome”. Not sure what you really mean here. If you mean some sort of clear coating then I have yet to come across any sort of coating that would be as resilient as chrome plated steel. Put another way, I think that a guitar with a plastic or ABS pickguard, a “clear coated” chrome steel pickguard or no pickguard (painted timber only) will scratch more easily than uncoated chromed steel. Time will tell, but after three weeks of heavy use there is not a scratch to be seen.

Guitar colour, horn shape, and cutaway shape can be simply a matter of taste, but its not irrelevant that the lower cutaway on this guitar (together with the contoured neck heel) make it easier for this owner to get to the 22nd fret than on any of his other guitars (Gibson, Ibanez, Strat, Line 6).

Point noted about the trem cavity. The bottom of the routing (parallel to the guitar face) is actually covered with a chromed steel plate (you can just see it in the second photo, although the photo doesn’t do it justice). The sides of the routing are not covered (visible in fourth photo) but this is not that obvious to the eye – just seems to be very obvious in the photo. One enhancement could be to get a piece of steel folded into a kind of box shape, polished and then chromed as a sort of press fit into the trem cavity.

We explored options for reducing the number of switches on the front. Unfortunately, push-pull pots are not the answer for purely technical reasons.

- the kill switch is a spring loaded momentary switch so that it rests in the normally open position (output not killed) – for obvious reasons.

- the pickup mix (guitar/mix/GK3) must be a three position switch
- the Pitch Shifter switch functions both as an on/off pulse and a momentary effect switch, so must be spring loaded with a centre resting position

- the two MIDI patch switches (patch up and patch down) must be momentary switches, so could be a single spring loaded switch but it would be too slow to move through patches. Two separate momentary push switches are much quicker. The ones I fitted (below the trem) are very small and unobtrusive (about the same size as a pickguard screw.

So the only two candidate switches for push-pull pots would be the Fuzz on and the RF Antenna on. I discounted both and opted for a single toggle switch for each for the following reasons :

- if either of these were to be push-pull pots then the only really logical choice would be to combine them with the only Zvex Fuzz control knobs on the front of the guitar – the Comp or the Stab knobs – as whilst its possible it doesn’t make much sense combining/confusing these with the Pitch Shifter controls, or with the guitar tone or GK-3 volume knobs. But the Zvex Fuzz sound is highly sensitive to the Comp and Stab settings and we felt that if these controls doubled as push-pull switches for something else then the act of pushing or pulling them could be a source of frustration as we would likely also change the Fuzz sound setting (only slightly, but enough to be annoying).

- a push-pull pot is actually a very bulky unit (as compared to a standard pot and a separate microswitch) and not easily fitted into this guitar. A push pull switch extends about 28mm behind its mounting and as you would see from the photo of the open control cavity there is simply no room for a couple of these.

So, whilst on first inspection there are appear many ways to do this, you should see that when you get into it there are many issues of detail to consider. Having spent a lot of time planning this and actually experimenting with mockup layouts this layout works well for this owner.

Thanks again.

Regards, RJV
#61
I have it from a chap here who bicycles (on chromed steel bikes) that you can LAQUER chromed steel, and still keep the shine etc.
Try looking in a bicycle shop, or asking . . . . maybe you could ask a guitar person as well, I dunno. But yes, that is what Sam the bicycle man says.

Personally I love the guitar and I'm sure there might be improvements that are possible but honestly, it's AWESOME don't change it! good old Banshee.

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#63
Sam the Bicycle guru has just watched the clip of you playing with me, and he says (and i heartily agree) that you should PATENT THE THING VERY QUICKLY.
I won't say anything else, because I've just been blown away and completely amazed by it. If you don't patent it soon, someone on youtube will steal the design and make a killing. You HAVE to do something about this, patent it and then sell it to someone big. Like, Fender. Or just start your own brand. Selling it means less work and more money though. Rock on!
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#64
DO NOT PATENT THE DESIGN!

Patenting a design is like that case when Microsoft tried to patent double-click.
Filthy.

But, why, yes... that is a good way to earn some money and get some recognition.

Plus, you should start a brand. Your work is admirable.
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#65
Something is happening in my pants....

But really, thats just...i...um...duh...for a lack.. of better words, ORGASMIC!!!!

And BTW, patent it. You deserve it bro.
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#66
Lmao, i wonder who influenced this build!

Nice job mate, i love the finish. Have you been building long?

I may be pm-ing you for advice when i start my own first build later this year. Im not looking to be quite so fancy but i hope to add a couple of little quirks of my own.

Do people use zvex effects for onboard builds for a reason to do with the building process? or because the people who do onboard builds have all been inspired by muse? or because they are the kind of wacky people who like the raunchy sound?

Also, im curious, are you using a Gr33 or what unit for your midi in the Youtube video? Why cant i get mine to track so well?
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#67
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Sam the Bicycle guru has just watched the clip of you playing with me, and he says (and i heartily agree) that you should PATENT THE THING VERY QUICKLY.
I won't say anything else, because I've just been blown away and completely amazed by it. If you don't patent it soon, someone on youtube will steal the design and make a killing. You HAVE to do something about this, patent it and then sell it to someone big. Like, Fender. Or just start your own brand. Selling it means less work and more money though. Rock on!
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Hi Dauntz,

Glad you are impressed - will look into Sam's recommendation on clear coats - but as the guitar is getting lots of use (as you would expect and know ) and the chrome is showing no signs of scratching or wear I doubt whether it will need a clear coat.

Your suggestion to patent the guitar is taken as the highest of compliments, but the stark reality of it all is that I expect it is not patentable. In the very busy world of guitar design just about everything has been done in some shape or form at least a hundred times and as much as this guitar is trully a "one-of-a kind" I expect we would be hard pressed explaining to a patent lawyer which element is trully a novel invention/design/style/whatever and can be protected. The inspiration for this guitar came from - importantly - not one, but several guitars and other areas. If Sam thinks and knows otherwise on the patent issue then have him shoot me (or you know who) an email outside this forum.

My "protection" of this design, if you like, is the fact that it took more than 300 hours over a period of 5 months to design and build, with lots of trials, failures and dead ends along the way .... you saw it when it was only half done. Not too many people would be prepared to tackle this mountain. It also cost several thousand dollars in parts. If someone is inclined to make a copy then I am honoured and flattered.

Glad you also saw the video on YouTube. When we have time we may make another - it was fun.

Regards, RJV
#68
Your midi piano sounds so realistic, what a great feature amd the organ sounds great. Love the guitar and sounds. do you just use a midi pickup for the piano/bells?

EDIT guitar and midi at once sounds so cool. an amazing build. truly amazing.
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#69
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Your midi piano sounds so realistic, what a great feature amd the organ sounds great. Love the guitar and sounds. do you just use a midi pickup for the piano/bells?

EDIT guitar and midi at once sounds so cool. an amazing build. truly amazing.


Hi. The pickup for MIDI is a Roland GK-3 which then connects (outside the guitar) to a Roland GI-20 MIDI interface which in turn is connected to a Kawai MP8 Digital Stage Piano connected to a Yamaha PA. The realistic playing/sound quality comes from the fact that the GK-3 pickup tracks very well and the piano is 192 polyphonic. If we get time to make another video we will demo some of the other MIDI sounds - most are trully amazing and mix well with guitar over the top.

Regards, RJV
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#70
Quote by bassetrox
Lmao, i wonder who influenced this build!

Nice job mate, i love the finish. Have you been building long?

I may be pm-ing you for advice when i start my own first build later this year. Im not looking to be quite so fancy but i hope to add a couple of little quirks of my own.

Do people use zvex effects for onboard builds for a reason to do with the building process? or because the people who do onboard builds have all been inspired by muse? or because they are the kind of wacky people who like the raunchy sound?

Also, im curious, are you using a Gr33 or what unit for your midi in the Youtube video? Why cant i get mine to track so well?


Hi. No secret that some of the inspiration was drawn from Matt Bellamy's guitars. But I had some more stretching targets - I wanted the guitar to have a really high quality finish to it, and to be compact (and thin) - and therefore light in weight - despite being loaded with electronics. I was very keen to get the Fuzz RF Antenna (theremin) installed and working well - so many people told me it couldn't be done, or it would be a waste of time but this just made me more determined to do it.

This guitar took over 300 hours spread over 5 months to build. I could have adapted almost any Fuzz but chose the ZVex Fuzz Probe as it was the only one to have theremin technology built in, so I adapted this to fit in and on the guitar's upper horn.

The GK-3 pickup connects to a Roland GI-20 MIDI interface. The GI-20 allows you to adjust many parameters for each string separately (e.g. sensitivity and picking style to name just two) - not sure what the GR-33 offers here. Also, I understand that the GK-3 pickup is known to track better than the previous GK-2 or GK-2B models. Finally, I have the GK-3 set up less than 1mm from the strings - almost too close.

Regards, RJV
#71
Well...

Once again, excellent job! Have you been building long?

R.
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#72
Quote by bassetrox
Well...

Once again, excellent job! Have you been building long?

R.


Repairing and tweaking yes, and building speaker cabs, a recording studio etc., but this is first serious guitar build. Almost tossed it in a number of times (its very hard working through a magnifying glass for weeks at a time) but stuck with it. Swore I would never build again, but ...... I already have a few ideas to stretch the technology further .

Regards, RJV
#76
the piano and organ things was amazing. I think if you tried to mass produce this you would be a rich man.

enjoy your guitar
#77
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the piano and organ things was amazing. I think if you tried to mass produce this you would be a rich man.

enjoy your guitar


Thanks for the encouraging words !!

Actually the idea of driving a keyboard or synth from a guitar (with MIDI) is not new, but its not easy to do it well .... with a divided pickup that tracks well, a player that can adapt his/her playing style (not always necessary) for non-stringed instruments and a good sounding keyboard/synth.

Used in moderation its a great additional effect - to add another instrument subtly to the guitar sound, or to add an instrument not in the band line-up to an intro/outro or chorus.

The video gave a demo of just a few instruments but there are 128 to choose from ... soon we will make a follow up video showcasing some of the other features of the guitar and also some of the other MIDI instruments - some of the organs, the banjo, the sitar etc., all sound incredible and for the right song and with the right mix you can have a hell of a good time.

I would love to make more of these guitars, but as the first one took more than 300 hours to build I'm not itching to make another .... not just yet.

Regards, RJV
#78
Hey, i know noones posted in this thread for a bit, but a couple of questions occured to me the other day

1) how deep is the body? Im just curious from the point of view of fitting electronics in.

2) How did you mange to get hold of a GK3 internal kit? I thought they werent commercially available?

3) Have you a reason for choosing GK over RMC/Graphtech piezo type synth access systems? Curious.
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#79
What I want to know is whether or not you can get the guitar and a MIDI effect playing on top of each other. In a similar way to a standard chorus pedal would work, but with, say, violins, or the accordion. Can you do it now? Is it possible? Have you thought about it?

Great build by the way, it's really a fantastically fresh way of listening to a guitar. Despite the fact people have tried (and failed) to implement systems like yours, this one just does everything..Brilliantly!

And that fuzz! It'll blow your head off one of these days, trust me.
#80
Just had to add my comments - That guitar is cool as hell. Good job. It's the most impressive DIY thing I've seen in a while.

I'm not interested in onboard effects, but if I was... I would idolize your guitar while I build something half as cool.
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