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#81
Quote by Don_Humpador
What I want to know is whether or not you can get the guitar and a MIDI effect playing on top of each other. In a similar way to a standard chorus pedal would work, but with, say, violins, or the accordion. Can you do it now? Is it possible? Have you thought about it?

Great build by the way, it's really a fantastically fresh way of listening to a guitar. Despite the fact people have tried (and failed) to implement systems like yours, this one just does everything..Brilliantly!

And that fuzz! It'll blow your head off one of these days, trust me.


Thanks for your comments. Yes, it is absolutely possible to play the guitar and MIDI at the same time. It sounds like you haven't watched the video closely (see link below). If you watch it again you will see and hear on two or three occasions where both are played together (choir and guitar, bells and guitar). The subtitles show when the guitar is added to the MIDI (like, " .... and guitar")

There is a three way toggle switch between the guitar volume and MIDI volume knobs which enable selection of (1) guitar pickups only, (2) both guitar pickups and MIDI pickup, and (3) MIDI pickup only. And then the two volume knobs allow you to set the relative volumes of each.

The guitar pickups can be fed out through a standard guitar lead in the 1/4 inch jack or through the MIDI lead (or both concurrently actually). In the case of the MIDI lead only, this connects to a MIDI interface which in turn can connect to both a MIDI engine and a standard guitar amp ... so the guitar signal passes straight through the interface.

We will make another video with more demos of the MIDI so you might want to save the YouTube video in your favorites and check back in a week or two.
#82
Quote by bassetrox
Hey, i know noones posted in this thread for a bit, but a couple of questions occured to me the other day

1) how deep is the body? Im just curious from the point of view of fitting electronics in.

2) How did you mange to get hold of a GK3 internal kit? I thought they werent commercially available?

3) Have you a reason for choosing GK over RMC/Graphtech piezo type synth access systems? Curious.


(1) The body is only 42mm thick, which is pretty much standard (e.g. Strat, Tele, etc.). If you thought that the body was "thickened up" to accept all the electronics then that's not the case. All the electronics are squeezed into a stock thickness body (which may not be the case with Matt Bellamy's Manson .... from the photos I've seen it looks to be slightly thicker than normal.
(2) The GK3 kit is readily available in store here in Australia. Contact your local Roland distributor fro details.
(3) Didn't even look at the RMC/Graphtech systems - just fell for the GK3 as it fitted the spec ......and the owner is delighted with the results.
#84
Quote by nakki
That's just. Whoa. Amazing.

How did you come up with an idea of that? ;D



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The owner felt limited by some of his pedal effects - there is only so much you can do with your feet. So he wanted a guitar with the effects technology built in so the switches/knobs were in easy reach. Its not a new concept, Line 6 do it, Manson Guitars do it, and I'm sure others do it. But the detailed technical design, wiring, overall styling, finish etc. of this guitar are all original. I've not seen another one like this.
#86
Quote by slashnmash
Absolutely incredible! Looks really fun to experiment with.


Thanks. Yes it is a lot of fun experimenting. All the effects being so close to hand takes a bit of getting used to but it is fast becoming second nature for the owner. And even without the effects it has a great feel.
#87
That looks incredible. I'd love to get a guitar like that, or even build one myself, but I've nowhere near the level of skill needed.

All those effects and sounds you can get must give you the world of freedom on stage. I have to make do getting weird noises using an overdrive, wah, flanger, tremolo and shedloads of feedback.
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#88
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That looks incredible. I'd love to get a guitar like that, or even build one myself, but I've nowhere near the level of skill needed.

All those effects and sounds you can get must give you the world of freedom on stage. I have to make do getting weird noises using an overdrive, wah, flanger, tremolo and shedloads of feedback.


Thanks. It was more patience and time than skill - believe it or not this was the builder's very first guitar build. There was a lot of trial and error ... and going back if things didn't work out as intended. Yes the effects certainly provide a lot of choice - especially blending the different MIDI patches with the pure guitar tone.

Cheers.
#89
how does that midi thing work?
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#90
Quote by jack_the_ripper
how does that midi thing work?


The pickup for MIDI is a Roland GK-3 (fitted between the Floyd Rose and the bridge pickup) which then connects (outside the guitar) to a Roland GI-20 MIDI interface which in turn is connected to a Kawai MP8 Professional Stage Piano connected to a Yamaha PA. You switch MIDI patches by pressing an up or down momentary push button fitted just below the Floyd Rose. The realistic playing/sound quality comes from the fact that the GK-3 pickup tracks very well and the piano is 192 polyphonic.

Its possible to play the guitar and MIDI at the same time. There is a three way toggle switch between the guitar volume and MIDI volume knobs which enable selection of (1) guitar pickups only, (2) guitar pickups and MIDI pickup, and (3) MIDI pickup only. And then the two volume knobs allow you to set the relative volumes of each.

The guitar pickups can be fed out through a standard guitar lead in the 1/4 inch jack or through the MIDI lead (or both concurrently actually). The interface also has a 1/4 inch out jack for passing the guitar signal through to a conventional guitar amp.
#91
christ, you're a ****ing genius!
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#93
Quote by Latin_Morello
ALL I WANT ARE THE MIDI's ON MY GUITAR THAT"S ALL I ASK.... HOW CAN I DO THAT???


It depends on what sort of guitar you start with. If you are scratch building and want to install MIDI as an integral part of the guitar then you should buy a Roland GK-3 GT KIT.

But if you have a guitar and just want to clamp something onto it then you can do that with a Roland GK-2 or Roland GK-3. There are other brands that do a similar thing. Do a google search on Roland GK-3 and that's a good start.

Cheers.
#94
I'm tempted to build another of these guitars with a few more new ideas included.

Has anyone seen genuine carbon fibre (not immitation carbon fibre decals) used for pickguards, control cavity covers etc? Any web links?

The "high-tech" look and the light weight of carbon fibre appeals, and I think compliments this type of guitar.

Thanks, RJV
#95
I can't see the weight difference between plastic and carbon fibre being too much, but the visual effect will be worth it. Real carbon fibre has a three dimensional quality to it, whereas the fake printed stuff doesn't.
I've got a little bit of experience with it, but check with proper sources first. Id take a normal pickguard and make a mould of the front face (since they have chamfered edges). Then lay a large piece over the mould so it sits in it but also goes over the edges. Add smaller pieces that are cut to shape inside the mould. then pour in the resin, making sure neither the resin nor the sheets lift out of the top. Once it's cured, trim away the excess fibre at the edge and sand the bottom face flat for fixing. Hopefully you'll have the top layer of fibres visible, and they'll wrap right around to the edge of the guard.
BTW, carbon fibres getting more and more expensive, especially for the raw materials. I was told by a friend who has more knowledge on the subject than I do that BA bought up a lot of the stock for the new airbus.
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#96
Quote by Wyld Stallyn
I can't see the weight difference between plastic and carbon fibre being too much, but the visual effect will be worth it .......


Thanks for the info. I agree with you about the weight .... but I was comparing the weight of carbon fibre against the weight of the chromed steel pickguard on this guitar (similar "mechanical/futuristic" look for both materials).

I've also just discovered that you can buy small ready made flat sheets of carbon fibre of varying thicknesses. I think I'll get one of those to experiment with. Cheers.
#97
I've been wanting to make a carbon fiber pickguard for a long time now... my concern is the stuff is hard to cut clean, and the edges will not look great.

I was thinking of finishing the edges of it with black paint or something... so you don't see the cut ends of the weave.
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#98
Quote by zeroyon
I've been wanting to make a carbon fiber pickguard for a long time now... my concern is the stuff is hard to cut clean, and the edges will not look great.

I was thinking of finishing the edges of it with black paint or something... so you don't see the cut ends of the weave.


Thanks. I had similar concerns, but came across this web page with some handy info on cutting and finishing carbon fibre.

Carbon Fibre Info

I also read elsewhere of someone who used very, very thin carbon fibre sheet (say, the thickness of a sheet of paper) as a pickguard and then covered that with clear acrylic sheet (say, about 1.6mm or 1/6th of an inch). You can then bevel the edges of the clear acrylic sheet. So this combination overcomes concerns about the rough edges of a thicker carbon fibre sheet.

Cheers.
#101
Just watched those YouTube videos, seriously jealous.

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#103
are you the owner of this guitar? becuase you talk in the 3rd person "the owner says that..."
#104
Quote by s.r.v.
are you the owner of this guitar? becuase you talk in the 3rd person "the owner says that..."


A strange question - I didn't expect to have an English lesson on this forum ....

I built it and gave it away as a gift, so no, I am no longer the owner. But as I see/hear it on most days (its never that far away) I am constantly reminded of the effort I put into it. And as I am still fiddling with it (trialling enhancements for "Mark II" !!) sometimes its hard not to think of it as my own ....
#105
i'm not sure if i built something like that i could even let someone hold it! much less give it away...
#107
Quote by RJV
Who can help?

What's the name of the tune played at the 2.08 minute mark in the following video at this link, and who palys it?

Link to Video

Thanks for your help.


I've got my answer thanks all ....

Its an interpretation of the song called "If" which was written by David Gates and released by his band called "Bread". The song charted at number four on the Billboard Hot 100 when released as a single in 1971. It was quickly covered by other singers (including Jack Jones, Perry Como and Telly Savalas). The Savalas version reached number one on the UK singles chart for two weeks in March 1975, and has the shortest title of any song to reach number one.
#108
It's really amazingly cool, i wont doubt that, but it would be even cooler if you added delay on it or reverb or maybe even some sick auto-wah. I'm thinking that would be a bit hard but imagine the frigging dough you'd be making. Maybe a double neck with an acoustic simulator and leslie effects on the top 12 string and a sick delay or lead tone reverb on the bottom neck.

Anyways, are you planning on selling that or something? 'cause that's atleast 8 grand there.

sick guitar
#109
Quote by dervishguitar
It's really amazingly cool, i wont doubt that, but it would be even cooler if you added delay on it or reverb or maybe even some sick auto-wah. I'm thinking that would be a bit hard but imagine the frigging dough you'd be making. Maybe a double neck with an acoustic simulator and leslie effects on the top 12 string and a sick delay or lead tone reverb on the bottom neck.

Anyways, are you planning on selling that or something? 'cause that's atleast 8 grand there.

sick guitar


Thanks. We considered building in several different effects before deciding on the Fuzz and the Super Shifter. Everyone has different ideas and different needs, but we figured that building in a delay, a reverb and or an auto-wah didn't make that much sense. Our thinking was that for these effects, and others, you tend to set the knobs and then just switch the effect on or off for all or part of a song - but you don't really want or need to fiddle with any of the effect settings during a song. Given this, leaving the effect on the floor and using your foot to turn it on or off is imminently sensible.

By contrast, there are times during a song (say, solo versus chorus) where you would need or want to change Fuzz settings or pitch/phaser/harmonics for maximum effect or just for fun. So it made more sense to build these in and have the knobs within easy reach ..... rather than leave them on the floor.

This one is not for sale, though ..... at 300 hours build time what would it be worth, and who would buy it? Cheers.
#111
This is an impressive guitar, but in the demo of the guy playing it he's using some awful fuzz setting and it sounds really bad.
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#112
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This is an impressive guitar, but in the demo of the guy playing it he's using some awful fuzz setting and it sounds really bad.


Hi there. Yes the video was a first attempt and made only a few hours after the guitar was finished. So we were experimenting with both the video camera and the guitar effects settings.

Of course it is isn't easy capturing the tone of a good guitar amp - a Mesa Boogie in this case - with a crumby video camera mic, compressing the video and then playing it back over the internet through a set of PC speakers. You lose accuracy/tone at every stage.

When we have time we will try again, and make another video.

Regards, RJV
#113
Nice guitar bro! I'd rather buy that then 1,000,000 other guitars! I guess your 300 hours paid off.....
And maybe you can make me one...

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#114
whoa! and I thought my project was complicated...(in my sig) sweet job dude!
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#116
Wow! That is the most amazing guitar i've seen made by anyone on these forums for sure.. I'm in love with the midi effect. Was that hard to achieve. I am very crap at building things so i guess its out of my range.. Amazing dude amazing
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#117
Absolutely amazing!

That beats the hell out of Fender's VG strat. I thought that the MIDI was awesome.
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#118
Quote by RJV
Reference the two questions on the RF antenna.

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The only issue I have with the Fuzz – and its only a very small issue – is that for a given set of control settings it gives a slightly different performance/sound when swapping from battery power to a power adaptor. It means that your favourite settings need to be tweaked when you switch power sources. I think this is due to the difference, however small, in supply voltage and is not an outcome of having dissected a pedal and installed it in the guitar.

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Regards, RJV


do you think its because the power supply isnt as clean of a wave as the battery? sorry if youve already talked about this, i havnt made it past page 2 yet!
#119
Quote by chagmaier
do you think its because the power supply isnt as clean of a wave as the battery? sorry if youve already talked about this, i havnt made it past page 2 yet!


Hmmm. Thats a very good thought - not something which had occurred to me. You may well be right. We had tried wiring up a pot in series with the power supply to vary (i.e. marginally reduce) the voltage applied to the Fuzz - it made a difference but didn't sort the issue. When the voltage drops the effect just doesn't perform well anymore. So this sort of confims that the issue is not so much voltage related but might be wave related. It would be interesting to know if anyone else with a Zvex Fuzz pedal is pleased with the pedal when on battery but less than pleased when on power supply. I'm not about to spend hundreds of dollars more just to test a theory. Thanks for your input - enjoy reading on past page 2 !
#120
Holy crap. I just watched the demo video and I love the bell midi. And the guitar+bass midi.

Awesome effects.