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i've played a standard before and i thought it was an amazing guitar.
so i surfed a bit on the gibson site, and i found out there is a les paul supreme.
i think this is the top-of-the-line les paul.

which one is better? or what are the differences ? or what is THE best les paul (doesn't have to be one of these 2)?

thanks.
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i have no knowledge about the supreme, but when i once played a standard in the store, it blew me away, and the clerk said it was the second best gibson, the first being the custum....no he was probably lieing so i will buy a 2500$ guitar....but the custom is probably the best gibson les paul....
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As far as I'm aware the supreme tops the custom. Just look at the higher level of finishing in the inlays and stuff. Plus its called supreme. Why would they call it that if it wasn't??
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#4
well it is called supreme that may says enough
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hey guys, the supreme is a higher model than the custom, it has a better finish,more colour choice,but one reason why its different is because it has a chambered body which makes it lighter, so that way you stil get your les paul sound but with less back trouble!
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it's not that much of a les paul though? it's chambered
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ive never played one but id assume even with the chambered body there would be very little difference
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Quote by furlong2669
ive never played one but id assume even with the chambered body there would be very little difference



Wouldn't you loose a whole lot of sustain?
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i guess u would but because of the chambered body im guessing they must have done something to make up for the sustain
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I don't think the supreme is worth it...


I rather would take a classic or standard over it.
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I like the supreme but I also thought of the difficulties because you cant reach the electronics.And also it just cosmetically better.So the les paul standard is in my opinion one of the best and everything from there up is just better in COSMETICS not in actual sound and feel

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the Supreme's are big pieces of shit, the binding on a Schecter C1-Hellraiser is better, the body is weight relieved (meaning there's holes in it to take some of the body weight out) and the pickups are from a Les Paul Studio...so there's really no point in buying one unless you're gonna put it in a glass case and it's gonna sit there and look pretty...oh and it's 3300 bucks, so why bother paying 1000 bucks more for that crap than the standard, so the Standard's a better choice.
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Yeah, I thought the Supreme was a pretty lousy guitar for the money. Looks pretty
in pictures though which is really what most people go by.

If I wanted to get an LP, I'd probably get a Custom or a Standard. Standard is
the better value. But, after owning an LP and many other guitars, I'm just not
that interested in them.
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the gibson lp's ive played at the GC were horrible. maybe cuz it was gc...
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Quote by edg
Yeah, I thought the Supreme was a pretty lousy guitar for the money. Looks pretty
in pictures though which is really what most people go by.

If I wanted to get an LP, I'd probably get a Custom or a Standard. Standard is
the better value. But, after owning an LP and many other guitars, I'm just not
that interested in them.

why is that ?
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#17
Quote by Matsols
Wouldn't you loose a whole lot of sustain?


They tend to still be alright, because you're losing a chunk of weight but gaining resonance.

I'm the sort of person who would want a full weight Les Paul though, just as I would buy a Big Muff rather than a Little Big Muff, get me?
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Quote by Eric 666
the body is weight relieved (meaning there's holes in it to take some of the body weight out)


All Gibson Les Paul's have holes in them.

I believe the Supreme actually has chambers.

Quote by fender&gibson
why is that ?


Probably because you can get fantastically better guitars for the price.
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Quote by FacingUsAll
All Gibson Les Paul's have holes in them.

I believe the Supreme actually has chambers.


Probably because you can get fantastically better guitars for the price.


It's not chambered, I've seen a luthier take one apart and it just has the holes, the Les Paul Ultra from Epiphone is chambered.
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Quote by Eric 666
It's not chambered, I've seen a luthier take one apart and it just has the holes, the Les Paul Ultra from Epiphone is chambered.



Musiciansfriend.com lies again.

Whee.

EDIT: The Gibson site says it's chambered too. If Gibson's version of "chambered" is to put even more holes in the body, then that guitar is a bigger waste of money than I already thought it was .
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Quote by utsapp89
^I'd let a pro look at it. Once you get into the technicalities of screws...well, it's just a place you don't want to be, friend.
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Quote by FacingUsAll



Probably because you can get fantastically better guitars for the price.

examples ?
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Quote by fender&gibson
examples ?


There are tons, but these are the ones off the top of my head.

Carvin

Ran

Parker

Hamer

First Act

Just to name a few...
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Quote by utsapp89
^I'd let a pro look at it. Once you get into the technicalities of screws...well, it's just a place you don't want to be, friend.
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well yeah gibsons are a bit overpriced but that's cuase they're handmade. i think all of those brands are factory-made.
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I didnt like the fat 50s neck on a supreme i tried and the rear has a solid maple cap flamed like the front but there are no cutouts to get to the electronics or the toggle switch so changing pups is a question mark. they must have wired it up then put the maple cap on the back.

The Classic Antique with flamed top is very nice or a Std w/ 60s neck
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Quote by fender&gibson
well yeah gibsons are a bit overpriced but that's cuase they're handmade. i think all of those brands are factory-made.


bullshit, only the Custom Shop (not les paul customs...I mean REAL custom shop) guitars are handmade, the Vintage Original Spec and Les Paul Customs are only hand assembled, they're all built with CNC now...PRS Hand builds some of their stuff...menaing had carving and all that jazz...but it's mostly for their private stock. Gibson has turned into a less-than-decent company in recent years. Gibson hasnt hand built anything that's production since 1991.
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ugh, all obnoxious bickering aside:

The Supreme is the top of the line production model LP, technically the Custom is "nicer" than it because it is made in the custom shop, with supposedly better materials and craftsmanship.

The Supreme has a chambered body to promote resonance and make it weigh less, this is also "supposedly" different than weight relief (on the standard and other production LPs), because the holes are carved in strategic locations, not just random plugs pulled out.

Personally, I prefer the pickups on the standard, but it IS NOT TRUE that the Supreme has "bad" pickups, the 490 and 498 somehow got a bad reputation, they are just as good as burstbuckers or 57s, they just have different tonal characteristics, that some people may not like!

There are a lot of people presenting their opinions as facts in this thread

TS, there is no "best" LP, jimmy page played a standard most of the time, but he could afford anything he wanted, like a custom, or a black beauty (which he did use on occasion).

I would say go with the standard (even though it's apparent you aren't looking to buy one), it's a much better value, and I think the supreme looks very busy and tuxedoish, which doesn't really fly with me.
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edit:

inside of a standard/classic:

Gibson SG Standard
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Quote by hamish5178
sooo sigged


edit:

inside of a standard/classic:




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Quote by Rockstar12345
....where?



one the link


go to the articles section and on the last article(les paul supreme) there are pictures of it on the inside

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Quote by Hernan_lp
one the link


go to the articles section and on the last article(les paul supreme) there are pictures of it on the inside


I know this is an old ass thread, but, seeing as I got here trying to find pictures of the les paul supreme's internal routing, I thought I'd chime in just to post a direct link to the page rather then have others searching for it. so here it is

http://www.lespaulforum.com/slubarticle/supreme/supreme.html