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Does anyone know for sure what scale "1 b2 3 #4 5 6 b7" is?

I was fiddling around, and thought it sounded cool. To me, it sounds like a combination of mixolydian and double harmonic major; it obviously isn't, but it sounds that way to me.

So, would this be Mixolydian b2 #4? Are there any other names for it?
#3
Quote by WootSticks
Lydian flat-seven? Isn't that a real scale, though?

Hmm. It could be Lydian Dominant b2? According to what I've searched for it could be called that...
#4
Bah, I didn't notice the b2. H/W Diminished with no major third? Your name for it sounds more correct, though. It does sound neat.
#6
Errr...a sharp and a flat in the same scale? Wtf?

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It would be a b5 and than a 5, instead of a #4 and a 5, correct?


Yea, this would make sense.
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#7
Quote by Spamwise
It would be a b5 and than a 5, instead of a #4 and a 5, correct?

No, I have an augmented fourth in it, like Lydian.
#10
Quote by musiclover2399
Augmented 4th (#4) and diminished 5th (b5) are the same note, otherwise known as the tritone I believe.

Yeah, but I'm using it as the fourth degree in this case.
#11
Dorian #4. The fourth mode of the Harmonic minor scale.
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^No Dorian is b3, not b2. It's like Phrygian without the b3 or something.


Whoopsie. didnt see that. I thought it was: 1 2 b3 #4 5 6 b7

Edit: It could be the HW scale without the augmented 2.
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Quote by Spamwise
It would be a b5 and than a 5, instead of a #4 and a 5, correct?

no,why?? you can't repeat an interval... 1-2b-3-5b-5-6-7b
where did the four go??

1-2b-3-4-5b-5-6-7b wouldn't be right either
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Quote by DeathDealer
no,why?? you can't repeat an interval... 1-2b-3-5b-5-6-7b
where did the four go??

1-2b-3-4-5b-5-6-7b wouldn't be right either

Apparently you can repeat an interval, even in 7-note scales, like the altered scale. I don't know why specifically, but I'm researching it anyway.

The more I think about it, I'm starting to think it's simply Lydian Dominant with a b2...
#16
The Dayn Scale.

It obviously has no common name, so call it whatever you want as long as you know what it sounds like and how to use it - that's all that matters. A rose by any other name...
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The Dayn Scale.

It obviously has no common name, so call it whatever you want as long as you know what it sounds like and how to use it - that's all that matters. A rose by any other name...

Not if you call 'em crapweeds. I guess Lydian Dominant b2 it is.
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Quote by Dayn
Apparently you can repeat an interval, even in 7-note scales, like the altered scale. I don't know why specifically, but I'm researching it anyway.

uuuh,no
you can repeat notes,but not intervals...you either add or subtract on to it,you could make an 8 tone scale with one of the examples i posted above
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Quote by DeathDealer
uuuh,no
you can repeat notes,but not intervals...you either add or subtract on to it,you could make an 8 tone scale with one of the examples i posted above

Here we go, a thread I posted in about a mode question regarding the altered scale. Only seven notes, but I'm starting to make sense of it all.

I really need that jazz theory book, whenever they can actually order it in...
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Quote by DeathDealer
uuuh,no
you can repeat notes,but not intervals...you either add or subtract on to it,you could make an 8 tone scale with one of the examples i posted above

I'm not quite understanding you, surely if you are repeating the same notes you are repeating the same interval?
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Quote by Ænimus Prime
I'm not quite understanding you, surely if you are repeating the same notes you are repeating the same interval?

maybe i should have omitted the note part...when creating a scale you can't repeat an interval,you would add 1 on to it out of the 12 possible notes,or subtract from it,like the pentatonic has 5 intervals


what John is talking about are altered chords,you couldn't write a scale like that cause basically you would have repeating intervals where they really don't belong since they are essentially one interval on top of another...an altered scale on the other hand is just a scale with all but the root note flatted:
1-2b-3b-4b-5b-6b-7b
see,in the scale there are no repeating intervals. in chords this differs,altered chords are dominant chords with added tensions: 9b,9#,5b,13b

you would use a dominant scale over that
basically it's just subs, the 2 for 9 & 6 for 13...you wouldn't write 2b in a chord
& like John is saying,since the third is still present in the chord & not flatted you write it off as a 9#
chord voicing is a very intriquite machine
#22
Half-Whole Diminished Scale
1-b2-b3-3-#4-5-6-b7

You just excluded the flattened third

/thread
#23
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Half-Whole Diminished Scale
1-b2-b3-3-#4-5-6-b7

You just excluded the flattened third

/thread

hmmm,you are correct...
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Quote by WootSticks
Bah, I didn't notice the b2. H/W Diminished with no major third? Your name for it sounds more correct, though. It does sound neat.


I /threaded it first. Though I did say major third, but that was a typo, and i got my point across. :p

And deathdealer is correct. The word you are looking for is diatonic, I believe. Seven note 'names' per scale, I think is what you mean. Like, you can't have a scale with C D E F G A A# C, is that what you mean? ...I think so. o.o
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Quote by Scooch
Half-Whole Diminished Scale
1-b2-b3-3-#4-5-6-b7

You just excluded the flattened third

/thread


Said it first

Edit: Wait, wootsticks said it first.
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#26
Remove the submediant degree from Lydian Dominant b2 and you'll have the Tritone or Devil's scale
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Geez, must people have a special name for each unique combination of accidentals?

If I must give this a name, it would be "the major scale with accidentals".
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I call it 'Brian'.
I've called other scales 'Nigel' and 'Dominique'.

Dominique is a dirty, dirty scale.
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Does anyone know for sure what scale "1 b2 3 #4 5 6 b7" is?

I was fiddling around, and thought it sounded cool. To me, it sounds like a combination of mixolydian and double harmonic major; it obviously isn't, but it sounds that way to me.

So, would this be Mixolydian b2 #4? Are there any other names for it?


Doesn't matter what it's called, what matters is how are you going to use it.
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#32
Quote by AlanHB
Geez, must people have a special name for each unique combination of accidentals?

If I must give this a name, it would be "the major scale with accidentals".

This. Who cares about the names.

And I would call it "overtone scale with b2." But really, just base your playing in a major or minor scale and use accidentals when you feel like it. It's always cool to say that you are playing in lydian dominant blablabla scale but does it make you a better musician? Just learn to use the notes and forget the "cool" names. They just make you more confused.
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#38
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So, would this be Mixolydian b2 #4? Are there any other names for it?


Is there really any reason to give it a name?
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Quote by NoisiNinja
Remove the submediant degree from Lydian Dominant b2 and you'll have the Tritone or Devil's scale

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