#1
i was playing a mesa express 5:50 today, and it wasnt bad. i also got back my valveking with new groove tubes in it. When trying the mesa, I managed to turn it up to about a third of its full power while running at 5 watts, and compared with it turned up about a tenth of the way up, though it was louder, it lost alot of it's distorsions softness, the highs became brittler sounding and the whole thing started sounding sharper. I've noticed a similar thing with my valveking. My question is, why is it considered as you crank valve amps their sound improves ?
Could it be todo with volume, and that the extra volume screws with how i percieve the sound ?
#2
that happens to me sometimes. on my amp (fender hot rod deluxe) if you crank (to like 5 it the overdrive sound changes and gets much harsher. though that may happen with solid state as well, idk.
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#3
I'm not amp scientist or anything, but tube amps sound better when you crank up the volume. I assume it's cause more power is coming from the preamp or whatever and thus more power is coming out of the power amp into the speaker.

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#4
^

awesome.

it depends on the tubes. 6L6 can sound quite "hard-edged" when cranked. But they normally fatten up a lot too...

I dunno. I know i like tube amps "cranked"...
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#5
The reason people say tube amps sound better cranked is because with the volume the amp starts to clip very smoothly and everyone likes the extra gain and smooth overdrive.

But someone like Mr. Mouse my dislike the extra gain, thats the reason for headroom.
#6
Don't forget that when you crank something you can hear the mids and treble with alot more clarity. Our ears have trouble distinguishing them at low volumes.

The reason valve amps sound great cranked is that the distortion is smooth and organic.
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Don't forget that when you crank something you can hear the mids and treble with alot more clarity. Our ears have trouble distinguishing them at low volumes.

The reason valve amps sound great cranked is that the distortion is smooth and organic.

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The reason people say tube amps sound better cranked is because with the volume the amp starts to clip very smoothly and everyone likes the extra gain and smooth overdrive.

But someone like Mr. Mouse my dislike the extra gain, thats the reason for headroom.



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The reason people say tube amps sound better cranked is because with the volume the amp starts to clip very smoothly and everyone likes the extra gain and smooth overdrive.

But someone like Mr. Mouse my dislike the extra gain, thats the reason for headroom.



do you mean mr moustache? (me)

if so, im not saying i dont like it. im just saying the overdrive gets harsher.
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#10
So the 5:50 has a built-in attenuator? That's your problem right there. Attenuators rarely keep the sound exactly the same at low volumes. Though I don't know how it would cause harsh clipping....

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#11
The sine wave that is produced to make make the sound clips smoothly at a nicer curve as it gets louder. The amplitude also increases while the crests and troughs smooth out rather than having a flat top, therefore being harsher and less "musical".
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The reason people say tube amps sound better cranked is because with the volume the power tubes begin to saturate very smoothly and everyone likes the extra gain and smooth overdrive.

But someone like Mr. Mouse my dislike the extra gain, thats the reason for headroom.



fixed. There's a difference between clipping and saturating...
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#13
i see. yes i get the theory of why they should sound better. but i still find myself settling for a lower volume where the distorsion seems smoother. maybe its an eq'ing thing. as i raise the volume should the amps frequency response change ?
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So the 5:50 has a built-in attenuator? That's your problem right there. Attenuators rarely keep the sound exactly the same at low volumes. Though I don't know how it would cause harsh clipping....

/rambling


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