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What do you all think?

What if Middle-Eastern culture actually has it right? What if women were never meant to be equal to males?

I'm not saying I agree with these ideas (I don't), but lets just contemplate for a second here. What damage are we doing to society as a whole if mother nature never intended for women to be treated as equals?
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How the hell can you answer this question except on entirely speculatory grounds, such grounds having their basis in nothing more than personal opinion!?

Bollocks indeed!
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#5
Then **** nature.
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There has never been anything to prove women are less mentally capable than men.


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#7
Womens brains work the same as male brains. Apart from opposite sexual functions, the bodies work the same. We count ourselves as the same species. I dont understand how nature could specify who is equal and who isnt? that is a moral idea.
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#8
^Our brains don't work the same way. Not for all things anyway. Men are better at some things, women are better at others (although these are general trends, not absolutes). We are equal though.

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Also, let's have a look at the Middle East and compare it to the West. What area would you rather live in?
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#9
Women in my opinion will always be superior to men, as women hold over men one thing which can never be redressed; the lure of their feminine sexuality.

I genuinley believe that.
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Ooooooh....

I have a really chavuanistic female friend (her career ambition is a housewife! gah!) anyway her arguement has always been that men have the ability to create more muscle mass than women, so are physically dominant.

However we are not cave-people and this fact is completely irrelevant to modern society. Men and women should be nothing less than equal.
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people misunderstand the middle east so much. Women are treated as equals. But men and women have different responsibilities in the Middle East. A man has power over woman in one area, while woman has power over man in another area. The idea is that they're equal overall. It's like if both Student A and B score 1000 on the SAT, but Student A does better in Math, while Student B does better in reading.
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Women in my opinion will always be superior to men, as women hold over men one thing which can never be redressed; the lure of their feminine sexuality.

I genuinley believe that.


thats quite an ancient concept though, that men are strong and physical, women are a symbol of beauty.

Whether that makes us equal or not, im not sure.

people can be different without causing inequality.
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What if women were actually meant to be superior to men?

What if I'm supposed to be in a kitchen right now?
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people misunderstand the middle east so much. Women are treated as equals. But men and women have different responsibilities in the Middle East. A man has power over woman in one area, while woman has power over man in another area. The idea is that they're equal overall.


No. Shut up. In Saudi Arabia, women can't leave the house without a male relative. Women can't drive. How is that equal? Women don't have power over men in the Middle East. Anywhere.
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Womens brains work the same as male brains. Apart from opposite sexual functions, the bodies work the same. We count ourselves as the same species. I dont understand how nature could specify who is equal and who isnt? that is a moral idea.


There is plenty to suggest that the female body doesn't work the same as the male body. Trying to say that males and females body's and minds work the same way (discounting obvious sexual differences) is just wrong.

Take for example, scientists have proven that the average female voice takes a noticeable amount more brainpower to comprehend than the average male voice. Is this nature suggesting that females shouldn't speak as much? Is this nature suggesting something completely different? Is this just completely random and irrelevant?

Lets discuss this.
#17
Strong women will always control strong men imo. I'm not being sexist, I just believe that men tend to bow more to womens wills more often than not :>
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thats quite an ancient concept though, that men are strong and physical, women are a symbol of beauty.

Whether that makes us equal or not, im not sure.

people can be different without causing inequality.


True.


Women to me are superior in the sense that [most] men will do [almost] anything to please the women whom they have feelings for, be it in the maternal sense or in other degrees of relationships. Women hold the power of sex (as an act) over men and that, to me, makes them inherently more powerful than men.
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Take for example, scientists have proven that the average female voice takes a noticeable amount more brainpower to comprehend than the average male voice. Is this nature suggesting that females shouldn't speak as much? Is this nature suggesting something completely different? Is this just completely random and irrelevant?


Source?

And no, I doubt nature would bother to suggest something like that. It's completely random and irrelevant, if indeed it is true at all.
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What if women were actually meant to be superior to men?

What if I'm supposed to be in a kitchen right now?


then the majority of us on here are truly "le fúcked". equality will never FULLY come about, there's no way the whole world can agree on a basic concept, we're all idiots.
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What do you all think?

What if Middle-Eastern culture actually has it right? What if women were never meant to be equal to males?



thats why they are all still 3rd world countries...
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What if women were actually meant to be superior to men?

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LOL LOL more trolling by teegman.
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Bollocks.

There has never been anything to prove women are less mentally capable than men.


actually our brains are bigger than theres, its science...

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True.


Women to me are superior in the sense that [most] men will do [almost] anything to please the women whom they have feelings for, be it in the maternal sense or in other degrees of relationships. Women hold the power of sex (as an act) over men and that, to me, makes them inherently more powerful than men.


I'd expect to hear that from a Conservative

Anyway, the only real thing I can comment on is when someone said that men and womens brains work the same. This is not true. Take for example, a womans ability to multi-task a lot better than a man, but a mans ability to completely concentrate on one task better. This is probably the reason that men invented most things, their ability to concentrate completely on the task.

Edit: Although I believe that men and women should have equality, there's nothing that says we have to all be the same (and admittedly, we couldn't all be the same anyway).
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Quote by teegman
There is plenty to suggest that the female body doesn't work the same as the male body. Trying to say that males and females body's and minds work the same way (discounting obvious sexual differences) is just wrong.

Take for example, scientists have proven that the average female voice takes a noticeable amount more brainpower to comprehend than the average male voice. Is this nature suggesting that females shouldn't speak as much? Is this nature suggesting something completely different? Is this just completely random and irrelevant?

Lets discuss this.


That just proves that men are thicker.

I heard about that, not sure it's taken very seriously. It's something to do with the pitch of a female voice and the fact men are meant to have differences in the ability to focus on a certain number of things at once. I'm not sure I believe it.
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I'd expect to hear that from a Conservative

Anyway, the only real thing I can comment on is when someone said that men and womens brains work the same. This is not true. Take for example, a womans ability to multi-task a lot better than a man, but a mans ability to completely concentrate on one task better. This is probably the reason that men invented most things, their ability to concentrate completely on the task.

Edit: Although I believe that men and women should have equality, there's nothing that says we have to all be the same (and admittedly, we couldn't all be the same anyway).

finally, something that actually makes sense!
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#32
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They've phrased everything a hell of a lot differently than you did.
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That just proves that men are thicker.

I heard about that, not sure it's taken very seriously. It's something to do with the pitch of a female voice and the fact men are meant to have differences in the ability to focus on a certain number of things at once. I'm not sure I believe it.


It doesn't say that men find it harder to comprehend a womans voice than a woman does to comprehend a mans... just that a womans voice is harder to comprehend. Surely from what the person you quoted said, you'd realise that he doesn't say that men have more difficulty comprehending voices than women.. just that a womans voice is harder to comprehend universally.
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Quote by Jett Diamond
What if women were actually meant to be superior to men?

What if I'm supposed to be in a kitchen right now?


I'm not suggesting that either sex is supposed to be superior to each other. What I would like to discuss is whether the politically correct ideals of 'sexual equality' being sprouted in so called 'developed' nations these days actually have any merit, or whether in fact they are watering down the fact that males and females are NOT built equally and hence having a detrimental affect on society.
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Euthanasia would be more apt in my opinion...
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It doesn't say that men find it harder to comprehend a womans voice than a woman does to comprehend a mans... just that a womans voice is harder to comprehend. Surely from what the person you quoted said, you'd realise that he doesn't say that men have more difficulty comprehending voices than women.. just that a womans voice is harder to comprehend universally.


I think I remembered a few details incorrectly from that

That information seems pretty irrelevant though. It doesn't disprove equality.
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equality is not equivilancy, men and women are different, our bodies work different, our brains work different, its a fact of life. there is no way you can make these two equal to eachother. should we all have the same rights and expectations as eachother? of course. should we expect to be the same? not a chance. youd be trying to make two different things be exactly the same, and by their nature thats not possible.
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Meths, just as an aside, don't you think you should change your club name in your sig?

Involuntary suicide is impossible; the two are mutually exclusive.

Euthanasia would be more apt in my opinion...


...

I am well aware of the meaning of suicide and that it can't actually be involuntary.
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They've phrased everything a hell of a lot differently than you did.


I apologize for that, my original post was made purely on memory.


I think the point is being lost though. There are plenty of differences in the way both males and females function, and to deny this is pure ignorance.
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^Our brains don't work the same way. Not for all things anyway. Men are better at some things, women are better at others (although these are general trends, not absolutes). We are equal though.

Equal means exactly the same. Considering our brains work differently, and men have far more powerful physical capabilities due to our hormones, we are definitely not equal. Unless if you stretch the word "equal" to mean whatever the hell you want it to mean, then we aren't. Equality anyways is an idiotic idea. Some people are dumber, uglier, weaker, and less capable than others. Making people to be equal is a stupid idea.
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