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I don't know how many of you have listened to classical music, and have thought "Dude, that would make a sweet metal song!"

I was at a school talent show, and there was a cello duet. I thought that their song would make a really sweet metal song if it were on guitar with a bunch of distortion. It had a nice rythm and everything, and was musical. But I wasn't thinking about some old guy conducting an orchestra, I felt METAL!

I know of a few metal bands that use classical music as inspiration, no wonder why. But what are some peices that I could transpose to make a sweet metal song? And what are any fellow UGer's thoughts on this?

I think that it was classical composers who first made metal, and then modern bands took it onto the guitar. So really, metal was invented my Mozart, Bach, and all those old guys. So next time you say classical music sucks, you better think a little more...
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#2
I didn't think they had metal in the 1790's

EDIT: Nevermind, never read the whole post
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#5
Yup just look at Yngwie and Symphony X. Epic metal usually has at least some degree of a classical influence, from MoP era Metallica to Windir.
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#8
I much prefer the Rite of Spring to Firebird.
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I much prefer the Rite of Spring to Firebird.


Yeh but Rite of spring would be hard to make metal.. I mean.. its scarey/tense as all hell due to all the pauses descreet build-ups to explosions etc. but I think it would be hard to make a flowing metal song.

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#10
I think it'd be possible but it'd take a much more skilled arranger to do it.
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#11
OUCH, you hear that E V H5150?
He says you're not as good as stravinsky.
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#12
Hmm.. you could take Apocalypticas "Quutamo" and move it to guitar....
It could be cool.
#13
But is anyone as good as Stravinsky?
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Like Ignore said, most everything metal borrows from classical. As does a majority of any music today (albeit to lesser degrees). Classical music basically laid the groundwork for most modern music as we know it, at least rock. Classical influenced jazz and blues, which no doubt lent themselves to almost everything rock.
I know what you mean, though, EVH: I can never listen to "Summer" from Vivaldi's Four Seasons without imagining it on dual guitars with a blistering drum track behind it. It might have something to do with the fact that the violin operates in much the same way as a guitar; or any stringed instrument. You could almost call Vivaldi the Malmsteen of his time. Both were incredible show-offs.
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Quote by sinan90
I think it'd be possible but it'd take a much more skilled arranger to do it.


I agree with you there. I've never actually tried arranging a peice of music. But I will be taking some Music Theory classes that do deal with arranging. I plan to learn a lot more music theory, and possibly become a music teacher at the high school level. I still think it would be a pretty sweet thing to do. I happened to see some video of Yngwie playing with a large orchestra, but I thought the Cello duet was much more cooler, like having two dueling guitars or something.
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#17
I think I might do a jazz arrangement of some of the Rite of Spring, along with an all bass version of Dies Irae by Mozart. Hmmm I'm going to have fun once all my exams are over.
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#18
Mozart is Classical.

Most metalists prefer music like Bach's, which is Baroque.

Stravinsky is Neo-Classical, and would be rather hard to turn into metal.
#19
hey someone answer my threads Q.

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I have made a bit of a sorta speed metal intro into a song, but no song yet?
I was wondering what chord progressions, key changing time changing or whatever the hell you guys think would make this a brutal speed metal song (doesnt necesarily have to be brutal, but speedy somewhat )

Heres the GP4:
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if ya need a .txt version lemme know i'll post one.

Cheers and thanks for any help anyone!
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I think I might do a jazz arrangement of some of the Rite of Spring, along with an all bass version of Dies Irae by Mozart. Hmmm I'm going to have fun once all my exams are over.


I tried something like this a little while ago. It didn't progress very far, but I still like the idea. Collaboration, perhaps?
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#21
Someone needs to start listening to Malmsteen and Symphony X.
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#22
Saying metal's roots are found in classical music is just an attempt to legitimize it and it's fans. Playing harmonic minor doesn't make you baroque and quoting Mozart on heavily distorted guitars doest not make classical "metal."

I find little correlation between metal music and any sort of classical.

Anyways some pieces that you might want to arrange are some of Rachmaninoff's preludes. Prelude in C# Minor(Can't recall opus #) or Prelude in G minor (op23-5). There are many more options depending on how many liberties you are willing to take.
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Quote by Erc
Saying metal's roots are found in classical music is just an attempt to legitimize it and it's fans. Playing harmonic minor doesn't make you baroque and quoting Mozart on heavily distorted guitars doest not make classical "metal."

I find little correlation between metal music and any sort of classical.

Go back and read my post. Classical music pretty much inspired all music we hear today. It's just one of those things that's meant to come along and lay the foundation for everything in the future. There's little correlation between a jet plane and the wheel, but without the wheel you can bet there'd be no jet plane.
So no, metal isn't really like classical all of the time, but it is undoubtedly influenced by classical.
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Go back and read my post. Classical music pretty much inspired all music we hear today. It's just one of those things that's meant to come along and lay the foundation for everything in the future. There's little correlation between a jet plane and the wheel, but without the wheel you can bet there'd be no jet plane.
So no, metal isn't really like classical all of the time, but it is undoubtedly influenced by classical.


Wow I didn't know I'd have to mention something so glaringly obvious. Of course classical music set the foundations and developed modern western harmony but since that is universally applicable (within the boundaries of western music...theres another obvious distinction for you) it is completely irrelevant to a discussion on specifics. In this way (foundational harmony) it correlates to all and therefore correlates to none (within the boundaries of this discussion).

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Wow I didn't know I'd have to mention something so glaringly obvious. Of course classical music set the foundations and developed modern western harmony but since that is universally applicable (within the boundaries of western music...theres another obvious distinction for you) it is completely irrelevant to a discussion on specifics. In this way (foundational harmony) it correlates to all and therefore correlates to none (within the boundaries of this discussion).

Happy?

Yes. That's all I meant.

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Oh great, now I feel bad ^_^

No, don't. You were actually mostly right, and my argument was rather lacking in the... well... arguing department. Besides, your words were like poetry:
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In this way (foundational harmony) it correlates to all and therefore correlates to none

It was very beautiful.
Basically, I think I had somewhat of a point, but was severely incapable of providing anything to help me prove it. I realized in the middle of my post to you that I really was on the wrong track.
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#29
Quote by psychodelia
I tried something like this a little while ago. It didn't progress very far, but I still like the idea. Collaboration, perhaps?


On what? Rite of Spring? I'd be happy to just need to decide on the combo, I was going to try and arrange it for the small jazz group I'm in at school, so basically piano sax, guitar and bass. Drums don't count for arrangements
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#30
Trans-Siberian Orchestra is as metal as it gets. Especially in concert. Its freaking awesome.
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Yeh but Rite of spring would be hard to make metal.. I mean.. its scarey/tense as all hell due to all the pauses descreet build-ups to explosions etc. but I think it would be hard to make a flowing metal song.

na'mean?


Its amazing to see how much the old greats and legends were so much better than stravinsky and other modern classical compsers... In that firebird clip, can you remember one melody, or riff? nope... what about in Mozarts, Eine Kleine Nachtmusik... hell yes
DUN da dun da dun da dun dun dun!
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Saying metal's roots are found in classical music is just an attempt to legitimize it and it's fans. Playing harmonic minor doesn't make you baroque and quoting Mozart on heavily distorted guitars doest not make classical "metal."
My thoughts exactly. Just because you take the soprano melody of a four-part classical composition and accompany it with power chords doesn't really make it classical at all, considering counterpoint and voice leading - two mammoth components of classical - are abandoned.
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Go back and read my post. Classical music pretty much inspired all music we hear today.

& monkeys banging on sticks & rocks pretty much inspired all classical music so we are even
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Its amazing to see how much the old greats and legends were so much better than stravinsky and other modern classical compsers... In that firebird clip, can you remember one melody, or riff? nope... what about in Mozarts, Eine Kleine Nachtmusik... hell yes
DUN da dun da dun da dun dun dun!


Hey, don't knock modern composers. There's plenty of modern music besides the neoclassical style.
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Quote by Devon8822
Its amazing to see how much the old greats and legends were so much better than stravinsky and other modern classical compsers... In that firebird clip, can you remember one melody, or riff? nope... what about in Mozarts, Eine Kleine Nachtmusik... hell yes
DUN da dun da dun da dun dun dun!



I can, perhaps you don't enjoy it as much so you don't remember. People generally remember songs they either love or absolutely detest.
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#37
I wouldn't say he was a metalhead, but he sure rocked peoples worlds.
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#38
my guitar teacher did a bach piece with bass drums, and guitar. Loaded it with distortion
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#39
My friend is arranging Symphony of Psalms by Stravinsky for guitar, it sounds pretty cool so far.

And yes, classical/baroque/romantic composers came up with some surprisingly 'heavy' stuff.
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There was a classical composer who wrote music that was almost exactly like metal today, he made a bass so large it took 2 people to play and had many low sounding instruments along with the blues note (going C to f# and the like)

I forget his name but he was in this
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