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#41
i agree with Primusfan about Obama. He seems like he wouldn't really know what he's doing but i do really think we need someone totally different in charge. For the past years it's been Bush or Clinton. But Obama seems really vague to me.

#42
ummm on the Israel never iniating a war.

I seem to remember something about pre-emptive strikes in 1967.
#43
Quote by dazzler16
For anyone who didnt keep an eye on the Irish general elections Fine gael nearly got as many seats as Fianna Fail. That annoyed me ecasue Fianna fail are trying to get rid of Irish as a mandatory subject in the Leaving Cert.


Nobody keeps an eye on Irish general elections.

And why should Irish be a mandatory subject?

Quote by faqu
I think there will be another war in the summer.
USA will join Israel as they attack Iran, and of course Russia will on Iran's side.

it wont be preety.

of course it's just what everyone here assumes. what do you think?


Pft, no chance. Three wars at once? The USA can't hack it and the Republicans will lose the next election without a doubt. It's not even really worth it. Especially considering muslims hate us enough as it is.

And I don't see why Russia would side with Iran.

Quote by BassistGal
I really can't see Israel attacking Iran (Because we've never initiated a war in the past).




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Quote by BassistGal
I also don't think Iran will directly attack Israel.

But their will probably be a war aganist Syrya and Hizboolah.


Obviously not initiated by Israel...

Quote by BassistGal
It wasnt initiating a war.
It was a preventing strike, theirs a huge difference.


1)The word is "there".
2)Not really. The iraq war was claimed to be a pre-emptive attack, we still started the war.

Quote by BassistGal
I'm preety sure their will be a war this summer, but I can't see Israel starting it.


What is your definition of 'starting it'? For some reason I get the feeling that Israel could do anything yet you would still consider it either pre-emptive or a retaliation.


EDIT: Anyone else wish "the voices of moderate Islam" would shut the fuck up and be moderate about this whole Rushdie-honours thing? They seem to be doing their very best to try and prove the racists bastards right when they say Islam can't be moderate or tolerant etc. And Lord Ahmed who is one of the people in charge of the country actually referred to the 9/11 bombers as "martyrs". He should be stripped of his honours and his lordship should be given to Rushdie just to piss them off.
And those people who say Rushdie is reponsible for loads of people dying because he pissed off some muslims. Well in that case the 9/11 bombers are responsible for all the Iraqis/Afghanis who have died since then because they goaded the USA into attacking them. Why don't they try blaming the people who are at fault instead of bitching and blaming people who have exercised their right to free speech.

What Rushdie said about Mohammed wasn't even vaguely insulting. He alluded to him having an erotic dream or something and you just want to scream "Er, hello? The guy had multiple wives he was blatantly getting some."

I'm also reminded of the amazing placard at the Danish cartoon protests which said "behead those who say Islam is violent". I swear that had to be a joke.
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#44
Quote by HeavenlyVirus
I also see him 2 ways....black.....a muslim. not that either of those would affect the way i feel about him....he seems like he's too young IMO, which is good in a way, because he will have a fresh mindset on what he wants to do. It can also be bad, because he's inexperienced, which is the LAST thing we need right now.

he's not muslim.
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#45
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EDIT: oh alright then...

Quote by dazzler16
For anyone who didnt keep an eye on the Irish general elections Fine gael nearly got as many seats as Fianna Fail. That annoyed me ecasue Fianna fail are trying to get rid of Irish as a mandatory subject in the Leaving Cert.


i think it should be removed as a mandatory subject. Learning a foreign language is hard and time consuming enough without learning one that's spoken by 3 sheep to the west of galway.

I know we had a teacher in our school who was from the republic, who couldn't get a job down south because she didn't have irish. seemed a bit stupid to me, what does irish (the language, not the country/people, lol) have to do with design and technology?

I have no problem with it being there as a choice, obviously, but to force people to learn it over french, spanish, etc.?

seems a bit strange and counterproductive.
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#46
Quote by Meths
I'm also reminded of the amazing placard at the Danish cartoon protests which said "behead those who say Islam is violent". I swear that had to be a joke.

#47
Never posted in here before, but....

I was wondering why Ron Paul has so much support from liberals. It seems like a lot of liberals love him because of his stance on the war. On the other hand, it seems odd to me that they don't have the mentality when it comes to Ron Paul that republicans hate poor people, love big business, etc.
I mean, Ron Paul is pretty much in synch with the other republicans economically, right?

Or is it because he is a libertarian, which has the root "liber" in it lol.

I don't mean offense to anyone, just wondering.
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#48
In Time magazine they had Obama as one of the top 100 Influential people, which I found odd....i like him so far, but he hasn't done anything yet really...
Who dat?
#49
Quote by the_pick_gnome
Never posted in here before, but....

I was wondering why Ron Paul has so much support from liberals. It seems like a lot of liberals love him because of his stance on the war. On the other hand, it seems odd to me that they don't have the mentality when it comes to Ron Paul that republicans hate poor people, love big business, etc.
I mean, Ron Paul is pretty much in synch with the other republicans economically, right?

Or is it because he is a libertarian, which has the root "liber" in it lol.

I don't mean offense to anyone, just wondering.


If I was old enough to vote I would probably vote for Ron Paul. I saw him on the Colbert Report and I agreed with almost everything he said. Hes a real sturdy constitutionalist.

Ron Paul is not in sync with anyone. Hes against spending and large government, so that sets him apart from almost any politcian. But he probably gets a lot of support because he voted aginst the Iraqi War and I assume hes more liberal socially then a lot of consevatives but I havent really heard any of his opinions on that.
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#50
I'm liking the Fred Thompson. He seems as though he would be a good leader. I mean c'mon Thompson-Guliani '08 would be awesome IMO of course since it is politics.
#51
Quote by gryphonguy
If I was old enough to vote I would probably vote for Ron Paul. I saw him on the Colbert Report and I agreed with almost everything he said. Hes a real sturdy constitutionalist.

Ron Paul is not in sync with anyone. Hes against spending and large government, so that sets him apart from almost any politcian. But he probably gets a lot of support because he voted aginst the Iraqi War and I assume hes more liberal socially then a lot of consevatives but I havent really heard any of his opinions on that.

Yeah, he's a more traditional small-government conservative. Those are pretty rare in the U.S. political scene nowadays. He's also staunchly opposed to the war and the PATRIOT Act, which helps his reputation among the left-wingers considerably.

You could say he's a fair bit more socially liberal than most of the other Republicans. He believes in limiting the federal govt's role in our lives, preferring instead to leave issues to the states.
#52
Quote by Feel bad inc.
I doubt that. Howard has the better policies, he has a good proven track record. Rudd made the mistake of trying to make it seem like his better than howard at economics when howard has take our country into the boom and lowered intrest rates since he 1st came into office, its because of howard australia is were it is economically today. He should of focused his campaign elsewere...


I'm talking about the mindless droves of young idiots that have to vote and don't care or have no idea about politics, they're going to vote for the one they think looks better or the younger one because they're "cooler"

John Howards eye brows are not attractive or cool

But then i have no real idea what i'm talking about because i don't follow politics too closely, only what the Chasers war on everything team tell me
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#53
Quote by gryphonguy


Ron Paul is not in sync with anyone. Hes against spending and large government, so that sets him apart from almost any politcian. But he probably gets a lot of support because he voted aginst the Iraqi War and I assume hes more liberal socially then a lot of consevatives but I havent really heard any of his opinions on that.


I'm all for large government if it falls under 2 categories.

1. It benefits people greatly

2. It doesn't meddle in people's personal lives.


For instance, I'm all for social medicine, I'm all for free college.

barack has been impressing me lately.
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#54
Quote by primusfan
dennis kucinich, yes. i never thought i'd vote for a hippie democrat. i mean he's essentially a green. but i don't trust the way richardson looks.



looks sort of like a live action mayor quimby.

the only candidates i trust are kucinich and paul. because, even though they're on opposite ends of the spectrum, they're both principled. i'm slightly skeptical of kucinich because of his switch to pro-choice policies. not that that one issue determines my vote, but that this could be a sign of partyline politics.


Did you watch the Democratic Debate? Richardson struck me as the best of any of them.
#55
Quote by Mr_Jubby_Jubs
Righty...for those in the UK (Scotland expecially) who thinks the SNP are actually gonna make us independent and also do you want independence or not.

Personally I don't think that we should be breaking ties with countries who have quite a ot of power. I hope that
we can't get independence.


don't worry, we won't.

SNp won't get majority
Majority of scots don't want independence
they don't legally have the power
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#56
Quote by SomeoneYouKnew
I usually avoid political and religious discussions. But I had to stop in, just for a slightly off-topic comment.

live free or die erect - the ONLY political thread

at first glance, I thought this was the sex thread.

okay, I'll STFU now. back to what you guys were saying...

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#57
Quote by the_pick_gnome
Never posted in here before, but....

I was wondering why Ron Paul has so much support from liberals. It seems like a lot of liberals love him because of his stance on the war. On the other hand, it seems odd to me that they don't have the mentality when it comes to Ron Paul that republicans hate poor people, love big business, etc.
I mean, Ron Paul is pretty much in synch with the other republicans economically, right?

Or is it because he is a libertarian, which has the root "liber" in it lol.

I don't mean offense to anyone, just wondering.

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Republicans hate poor people? Someones been drinking at the well of Liberal propaganda. THat you would post such nonsense suggests that you have a poor understanding of political idealology .
Just ask yourself one simple question whenever you incounter this type of statement. Is the person making it trying to make you think, or make you believe?
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#58
Quote by EL Conquestidor
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Republicans hate poor people? Someones been drinking at the well of Liberal propaganda. THat you would post such nonsense suggests that you have a poor understanding of political idealology .
Just ask yourself one simple question whenever you incounter this type of statement. Is the person making it trying to make you think, or make you believe?


Or is the person just an idiot, which in this case is far more likely
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#59
Quote by HeavenlyVirus
So...Bush sure is an inarticulate moron. The War on Terror is un-winnable. I don't like any of the '08 candidates.

+1
#60
Quote by chillininfl
What do my fellow USians think of Mitt Romney and his run for the upcoming presidency? In my opinion i don't think he'll get very far because of the Mormon religion's likeness to cults. Just a thought though.


i think the problem is that he's worse at flip-flopping than kerry was. for his sake i wish he could say it was his religion, because then at least that'd be discrimination. instead he won't get the nomination because he's a dirty piece of shit.
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#61
As far as the US presidential election, I'm pulling for Obama or Giuliani.
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#62
blair leaves on wednesday... but ir brown really going to be any better?

he'll be more creepy, thats for sure!
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#63
Quote by flambe chicken
blair leaves on wednesday... but ir brown really going to be any better?

he'll be more creepy, thats for sure!


Brown will be worse at least Blair was a semi-cheerful asshole.
#64
Quote by Draken
Brown will be worse at least Blair was a semi-cheerful asshole.


and he played guitar! i bet he was a bedroom shredder who has a video of himself playing canon rock on youtube.

on a more serious note (albeit only slightly) none of the main perties appeal to me in the slightest at the moment. i'd sooner vote ukip than labour, which is pretty bad really.
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#65
Quote by EL Conquestidor
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I have to admit that the humor and meaning of it escapes me as well. Die erect?


agreed, i didn't get it either.



Quote by Draken
Brown will be worse at least Blair was a semi-cheerful asshole.


true. bit like clinton. you almost semi-enjoyed him screwing you over.
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#66
Quote by Dave_Mc
agreed, i didn't get it either.


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#67
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#68
TBH UK politics is a shambles at the minute because it's so childish. I might not even vote in the next election, even though I'll be able to, just because they're all a bunch if tossers.
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I think that the SNP is stuck up its own collective ar$e about independence, you just can't do it with a country that doesn't have the economy to support it. This is because England and Scotland need each other and it's all about the money (even though they say it isn't).
And whats with Slamond(tosspot) getting in talks about cooperation with NI when he wants to split form the UK? Hypocrite.
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Brown won't get in just because he's "Scottish" and the English want an English PM. It could be the money grabbing richboys getting in (tories) because of "Dave" Cameron's way of putting a spin on things.
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#70
Quote by Jawkster
Politics rocks. What is the topic?

anything current
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#71
New topic

In Canada, the Opposition thinks that the government can meet the Kyoto targets after the previous Liberal government let emissions increase by 27%. So now there is 33% to get rid of by 2012.
#72
Quote by HeavenlyVirus
I also see him 2 ways....black.....a muslim. not that either of those would affect the way i feel about him....he seems like he's too young IMO, which is good in a way, because he will have a fresh mindset on what he wants to do. It can also be bad, because he's inexperienced, which is the LAST thing we need right now.



http://www.barackobama.com/about/

He's black, but he isn't a Muslim.
#73
Quote by ss311
http://www.barackobama.com/about/

He's black, but he isn't a Muslim.


That's also debatable. Americans seem to call people black when they have like 1/32th of their heritage as African.
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#74
Quote by Meths
That's also debatable. Americans seem to call people black when they have like 1/32th of their heritage as African.



Meths, I see where you're coming from. Barack isn't black enough for me either.

#75
Quote by Meths
That's also debatable. Americans seem to call people black when they have like 1/32th of their heritage as African.


You can be black without being African.
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#76
Quote by EL Conquestidor
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Republicans hate poor people? Someones been drinking at the well of Liberal propaganda. THat you would post such nonsense suggests that you have a poor understanding of political idealology .
Just ask yourself one simple question whenever you incounter this type of statement. Is the person making it trying to make you think, or make you believe?


I'm just saying the libs are pretty effective at pointing at the conservatives and saying "He doesn't care about poor people, he love big business, he is a bigot." , but they seem to love Dr. Paul, even though he is economically libertarian/conservative (which I'm assuming is why they think conservatives hate poor people).

By the way, I'm not drinking at the well of liberal propaganda, I'm just aware of what they say. I'm actually really conservative.
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#77
Liberals like ron paul because he is socially libertarian and isolationist.
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#78
Quote by MPBrodie
Brown won't get in just because he's "Scottish" and the English want an English PM. It could be the money grabbing richboys getting in (tories) because of "Dave" Cameron's way of putting a spin on things.


dave "down with the kids" cameron.

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#79
Since the greens got into power in Ireland it's been raining.
I just thought I'd add that.
Don't vote green, they bring rain


(seriously though, do vote green)
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#80
Quote by Ur all $h1t
Since the greens got into power in Ireland it's been raining.
I just thought I'd add that.
Don't vote green, they bring rain


(seriously though, do vote green)

I agree to an extent, but as an American, you know the Green Party takes up about 1% of the voters, which is sad, because they have some great ideas.

Me, I consider myself a Libertarian.
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