#1
One of the things that I loved about punk rock was that many of the band members of bands like Crime and U.X.A.were into conspiracy theories.
This died with hardcore, (because it required reading books and hardcore kids aren't smart enough to do that) barring the Dead Kennedys.

Speaking of whom......here's a video giving you a new look at what "I Am The Owl" means.

http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/785/
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I don't like straight edge because it's part of Hardcore, and I don't like Hardcore because, aside from the terrible music, the kids are often very homophobic.


You forgot ugly, lazy and disrespectful.
#3
You're the first one to get the Breakfast Club reference(s)!

I quoted the "You're pretty sexy when you get angry" line in the straight edge thread that got closed, and no one got it.

1,000 punk points to you.
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I don't like straight edge because it's part of Hardcore, and I don't like Hardcore because, aside from the terrible music, the kids are often very homophobic.


You forgot ugly, lazy and disrespectful.
#4
loli say that sexy thing all the time too, but i just realized that it was form breakfast club too, hehe.

woooooot.
#5
Sweet, I won two iPod nanos from that link!

Interesting video. It was kind of like that program I saw on the History Channel, only with one of my favorite Dead Kennedys songs in the background.
#7
I'm not really, but he did have the Revillos playing on the soundtrack for Sixteen Candles, which was much cooler than most of the 80s films (which seemed to have lots of losers like Van Halen all over them).

I remember taking a girl to see Breakfast Club in the theater and thinking that it didn't suck as bad as movies like Corvette Summer or Meatballs.
Walking home, the girl I went with said that she hated Judd Nelson's character, to which I replied that she was an idiot and I never wanted to see her again.

Proof that she was an idiot...she started dating another guy in my class and married him!
Those losers dated all through middle school, high school and then got married and are still married all these years later!

It's just like that part in the movie "High Fidelity" (which had an SLF song in it, BTW).

Cusack got a lil bit of my respect for wearing that Clash shirt all through the movie "Say Anything" and having Fishbone play on the soundtrack.

Back then, you took what you could get.

Now back to the conspiracies and devil/owl worshipping, child-sacrificing power elites....
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I don't like straight edge because it's part of Hardcore, and I don't like Hardcore because, aside from the terrible music, the kids are often very homophobic.


You forgot ugly, lazy and disrespectful.
#8
cusak is awesome...he is a huge clash and ramones fan....although his love for joe strummer is kind of unhealthy....

didn't they compare slf to green day though? i didn't like that...
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Rancid are the best punk band ever.

Tim Armstrong is a songwriting genius, is a complete fashion diva and has an incredible singing voice.

He doesn't sound like Opie from family guy at all.
#9
Yeah, but they said that Green Day's sound was "influenced" by SLF, which I took as an insult to Green Day.

I guess I'm the only here, besides neidnarb, who is either familiar with, or is interested in, conspiracy theories.
Jello sang about Trilateral Commission goonies in the DK song, "when Ya Get Drafted" so you have to learn about them or you lose all your punk rock points and make Jello sad.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_295.html

Is the Trilateral Commission the secret organization that runs the world?

Dear Cecil:

This may sound off the wall, but how about the straight dope on the Trilateral Commission? All my life I've heard about this "secret" organization that supposedly actually runs the world. What's the real story? --Alton F., San Antonio, Texas

Cecil replies:

Alton, you wound me. You should know by now the only person remotely together enough to run the world is ... well, modesty forbids, but you just wouldn't believe what you can accomplish with a home computer these days. (Sorry about that blip in the stock market, by the way--I definitely gotta keep those floppies out of the taco sauce.)

But on to the Trilateral Commission, or TLC, as it's often coyly referred to. For starters, unless you're a lad of very tender years, it's a safe bet you haven't been hearing about the commission all your life, inasmuch as it was founded in 1973. Second, as you probably already recognize, an organization that everybody already knows about hardly qualifies as "secret." They're in the New York phone book, and if you ask they'll send you a bunch of literature about the organization. Third, while it's your constitutional right to be paranoid, you might at least try to be paranoid about something reasonably up-to-date. The TLC-as-world-conspiracy theory peaked during the early 80s, and has now pretty much gone the way of the hula hoop.

The Trilateral Commission is based on the quintessentially American notion that if we could just get together and talk about stuff, we could solve all the world's problems. Accordingly David Rockefeller, chairman of the Chase Manhattan bank, got together several hundred opinion leaders from North America, Western Europe, and Japan (hence the "tri-" in trilateral). They meet annually to hear speeches, participate in seminars, and exchange idle gossip. In between times the commission puts together task force reports on pertinent issues and publishes a magazine.

The TLC's first executive director was Zbigniew Brzezinski, and such well-known figures as Walter Mondale, Caspar Weinberger, and Paul Volcker have been members. Also on the rolls at one time, mainly because the commission needed some representation from the South, was the then-governor of Georgia, Jimmy Carter. The prospect of spending hours cooped up with the likes of Walter Mondale would probably send most of us screaming for the exits. But Carter was an impressionable sort who found both the commission's meetings and its members deeply fascinating. He got chummy with many of the latter and appointed more than a dozen to posts in his administration, including Cyrus Vance, Michael Blumenthal, and of course the redoubtable Brzezinski.

All of this was noted with great interest by the conspiracy buffs, but what really got their juices flowing was the revelation during the 1980 presidential campaign that not only was Carter a member of the commission, so were two of his potential opponents, John Anderson and George Bush. Holy Illuminati, they screamed, the power elite is conspiring to enslave us! They heaped poo on Jimmy and friends and flocked to nonmember Ron Reagan. But then Ron went and signed up Bush and Weinberger, which set off the howling anew.

Among true believers, opinions about what the Trilateral Commission is up to fall roughly into two categories: the merely dubious and the totally insane. The John Birch Society and its confreres see the commission as the latest manifestation of the international conspiracy that is trying to create a one-world totalitarian state, or at least a New World Economic Order. (Before the TLC it was the Council on Foreign Relations and an annual meeting of Western business leaders called the Bilderberg Conference.) The less extreme view is that while the Trilateralists may be well intentioned, the clubby atmosphere tends to create a climate of opinion (either socialist or fascist, depending on whether you're on the far right or far left) that is inimical to America's real interests.

The controversy died out after a short time. Reagan even had a reception for commission members in the White House in 1984. But obviously in a few dark corners the anti-Trilateral flame still burns bright.
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I don't like straight edge because it's part of Hardcore, and I don't like Hardcore because, aside from the terrible music, the kids are often very homophobic.


You forgot ugly, lazy and disrespectful.
#10
That sounds like that rubbish the neo-nazis spout about the "zog machine."


Except it involves less Jews.
#11
It's not that I'm not interested nemo, but you know more about all this than I do, so what's the point in posting? It's better for me to read and enjoy.
#13
Yanqui UXO.

Constant need for war creates a constant flow of dollars in the pockets of the select few who control our nation's military industrial complex. Thus making it profitable for them to continue this and all wars.

I believe this because that's the main source of economic income for my town.
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#14
1. Hey SS311, isn't that Blackbeard's flag in your avatar? Thats badass! Pirates are teh punx0rz

2. I enjoy conspiracy theories that involve either the Freemasons, or some other secret society, or the Holy Grail. Who doesn't love a good grail mystery?

I also figured out what happened to Kennedy. He was actually a Roman Catholic werewolf who was working in cahoots with the Pope to create a Roman Catholic empire in America, so Lee Harvey Oswald was commishioned by the Illuminati to kill Kennedy with a magic Silver bullet.

American Werewolf in London is actually just an allegory for the Kennedy assassination...

I'm telling you, it's true...


They're after me, you have to help!

#15
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1. Hey SS311, isn't that Blackbeard's flag in your avatar? Thats badass! Pirates are teh punx0rz



You got it. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to give you punk points though

But yes, it is indeed badass
#16
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That sounds like that rubbish the neo-nazis spout about the "zog machine."

Except it involves less Jews.


Are you calling Jello Biafra a neo-nazi?
I beg to differ.

The Bohemian Grove is a real place and politicians from all over the world go there to discuss and set national and international policy.
The Bilderbergs, Coucil of Foreign Relations, Trilaterals, high level Freemasons and secret orders like Skull and Bones are real, as well.

Our current president is a member of Skull and Bones, and so was his "opponent" Kerry.

The Illuminazis twist the info so that Nazis only pick up on the involvement of Jewish bankers, like the Rothschilds and Warburgs.
The majority of those involved, like the Rockefellers and the Ford Foundation, are NOT Jewish.

It is hypothesized that they purposely overinflate the roles of Jewish members, so that they can discredit anyone who questions them as being anti-semitic.

That's why I take my info from sites that are neutral, like The Straight Dope.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_323.html

What exactly is the Bilderberg Group? There have been accusations on the Larry King show that it is some kind of secret organization that has a lot of influence in shaping world events today and in the past. According to one caller, Bill Clinton was at one of their meetings a few years ago. Is any of this true? What's the deal? --J.D. Levine, Mount Royal, Quebec

Cecil replies:

Come on, we've been over this, you know who's really running things behind the scenes. Although I tell ya, I'm going to pronounce better next time I tell my lackeys to find me a U.S. president who likes sax.

The Bilderbergers are another one of those discussion groups for world leaders that have become a target of right wing crazy people. They're a little more secretive than most. You may remember we had a similar question years ago about the Trilateral Commission, which also sponsors meetings of international bigshots. I was delighted to discover that this supposedly secret nerve center of the one-world conspiracy was listed in the New York phone book.

Not so the Bilderbergers, and there wasn't much about them in the clip file either. No problem. I figured, hey, all these guys must hang out together, I'll call up my buds at the Trilateral Commission and ask for the Bilderbergers' number. Sure enough, while they're not all members of the same bowling league (the Bilderberg folks are headquartered in Amsterdam, so they couldn't get together on Wednesday nights), they do have some contact. In short order I'd gotten the number of a fellow named Charles in New York who does administrative and consulting work for the Bilderbergers.

Turns out there isn't really a Bilderberg "group" (although there is a 30-or-so-member steering committee), just an annual Bilderberg meeting, so named because it was first held in May 1954 in the Bilderberg Hotel in Oosterbeek, Holland. Why Holland? Well, it was the tulips, surely, but also the fact that the thing was organized by Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, a devout internationalist who wanted to get selected leaders from Europe and North America together on a regular basis to talk about global problems. (The Japanese weren't and aren't invited--one of the reasons for the Trilateral Commission, in fact, was to cut the Japanese in on the world conspiracy action.) Typically there are about 100 attendees; apart from the core group, it's usually different people from government, business, and labor each time. Bill Clinton made the cut a couple years before he became president.

What do they talk about at Bilderberg meetings? Deep stuff, although from the standpoint of riveting your attention I don't know that it ranks up there with the NCAA finals. Charles was kind enough to send an old press release for the 1992 meeting in Evian, France, which lists such ponderous topics as Prospects for the Former Soviet Republics, What Should Be Done for Eastern Europe, and Whither the United States?

Then again, I've never actually been to a meeting, my invite having been swallowed up by the same postal black hole that got my MacArthur genius grant, so for all I know it's a front and what they really do is sit around in their skivvies and swap dirty jokes. Be that as it may, such luminaries as George Ball have written warmly about the experience.

All this internationalism has earned the enduring wrath of the America-first element, notably the ultrarightist Liberty Lobby, which goes after the Bilderbergers periodically in its newspaper The Spotlight. (Other targets include the Federal Reserve, the electoral college, and social security.) Prior to the fall of Communism, the idea that international cooperation might lead to a one-world state run by the Bolsheviks had the necessary few molecules of plausibility to give even sensible people the occasional twinge. Now it all just seems quaint.


So, in spite of his smarmy attitude, this guy admits that Clinton joined the Bilderbergs and then became President, much in the same way that Nixon and Reagan joined the Bohemian Grove and later became Presidents.
(Their shown in the video I linked.)

What he doesn't mention is that Tony Blair joined the Bilderbergs before he became PM of Britain, as reported in the London Times on March 4th, 1996.

http://www.bilderberg.org/reports.htm

Wall Street, treason and Pat Buchanan
The London Times, 4th march 1996,
page 16
William Rees-Mogg

Last time I went to a Bilderberg conference, it was held in Athens, about three years ago. Tony Blair was there, not yet leader of the Labour Party [and now, of course, prime minister], Conrad Black and Barbara Amiel were there, the Queen of The Netherlands was there.
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I don't like straight edge because it's part of Hardcore, and I don't like Hardcore because, aside from the terrible music, the kids are often very homophobic.


You forgot ugly, lazy and disrespectful.
#17
I wasnt suggesting Biafra was a neo-nazi at all. I have some similar beliefs to whats been said, just not quite as extreme. I would definately reckon that all these people being together would surely have an effect on policies made. Its just that the core idea is similar to the "zog machine" theory endorsed by alot of neo-nazis I've talked to.


I know there are differences between this global elite, and the idea of the zog machine. The latter tries to silence white nationalists etc. while the former would rather silence the whole working class and ensure their own complete control, if I understand correctly.


Edit: Though if the new prime minister, Gordon Brown, was a member, then that would be a little too coincidental. Especially seeing as we had little control over him becoming leader.
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#18
I wasn't really accusing you of besmirching Jello's name, BTW.
I was just trying to point out that it's not just rightwing nazi losers who have stumbled onto this info.

I've had the ZOG argument with some of those idiots and I was able to persuade some of them, once I showed them that Hitler was buddies with Ford, and the Ford Foundation are MAJOR proponents of the NEW WORLD ORDER.

And yes, Gordon Brown is a Bilderberger.

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/so-who-is-gordon-brown-blair-and-new-labour-on-steroids/

As a young politician Brown was a staunch Socialist within the Scottish Labour party. When John Smith became leader of the Labour Party shortly before his premature death, he appointed Brown as Shadow Chancellor. Smith was a member of the steering committee, the inner core of the Bilderberg Group. He got Gordon Brown invited to the 1991 Bilderberg meeting where he was effectively groomed along with Blair as the next big thing in British politics. Incidentally this was the same meeting at which Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton was in attendance, he became President a matter of months later.

Brown has also, as far back as 1998 been listed in the “Global Leaders group” at the World Economic forum (otherwise known as the DAVOS group) . He has often been touted for high ranking IMF positions.

Brown was a traditional Labour figure, the economic spokesman who doesn’t¹t know much about economics. He took on an advisor - Ed Balls, a Financial Times leader writer - an ideologist for globalization, in effect - who learned his economic trade at Harvard. Balls is a regular Bilderberg attendee, his name can be found on the attendance lists almost every year since 2001. Brown soon started going to New England regularly for his summer holidays and became a true believer in the the neo-liberal line from Harvard - Globalization, the Washington consensus.

Brown’s Bilderberg connections were most recently highlighted by Norman Baker, MP for Lewes, who officially requested that Gordon Brown provide details of Bilderberg meetings he has attended.


And here's some of the things he's been saying that are worrisome.

http://infowars.net/articles/january2007/180107_b_Brown.htm

Brown sets out his vision for a new world order

CATHERINE MacLEOD
The Herald
Tuesday, January 16, 2007

Gordon Brown spelt out his vision for a world order underpinned by British values, to meet the economic and security challenges of globalisation, in India yesterday.

Revealing the international priorities of a Brown premiership likely to begin this summer, the Chancellor argued that global institutions must be inclusive and open to represent the emerging world order.

Without sounding like a British bulldog, he nevertheless beat the drum for Britain, hailing British values as the building blocks for the new institutions.

"I see myself as representing Britain and doing my best for Britain, talking about what is going to bring Britain prosperity in years to come. Everything is a challenge because there are new opportunities we can build for our country.

"We can help to build things and shape this new world order in a way that is good for Britain and British values," he said.

Earlier, when he and Alistair Darling, the Trade and industry secretary, visited companies which have invested in Britain and British companies, Mr Brown trumpeted the strength of the British-Indian partnership.

Speaking to the Confederation of Indian Industry in Bangalore on his first visit to the sub-continent, he challenged institutions to reform to meet the needs of this century.

He pointed out that the institutions had dealt with the demands of the world during the Cold War, but now needed to change to meet the demands of the modern world.

He said: "I believe that it is only now, as we see the impact of globalisation, that we can also imagine the full shape of the emerging new world order - a new world economic, political and social order, driven forward not just by considerations of the balance of military strength and ordinary political power, but by the seismic shift in social and economic power brought forward by globalisation."

Making no secret of his wish to let India join the United Nations Security Council, he said: "My theme today is how co-operating together and with a plan to reform our international institutions we can ensure that globalisation works to ensure proserity and opportunity for not just some of the people, but all of the people."

His agenda is ambitious - he urged reform of the United Nations, the G8, Nato, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and the European Union, which he said must move from looking inward to outward-looking internationalists in a global Europe.

Acknowledging India's role as the third biggest UN peacekeeping force, he urged the UN to modernise to become an effective peacemaker in the modern world.

Aware that India was only slowly opening doors to foreign investors, he made clear he hoped that Britain and India would continue to co-operate to their mutual benefit.

"I am sure that India and Britain together - the world's largest democracy and one of the world's oldest democracies, with our shared history and culture, and common values of understanding and tolerance - can, working in unison, play a critical role as partners in addressing the great challenges of our times."
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I don't like straight edge because it's part of Hardcore, and I don't like Hardcore because, aside from the terrible music, the kids are often very homophobic.


You forgot ugly, lazy and disrespectful.
#19
****ing hell.


I'll look a bit more into this. That is pretty unsettling, especially talking to people and seeing lots of ordinary people being interviewed on the news saying how we had no word on whether he became our prime minister till the next elections.
#20
Do the research brother.
It'll blow your mind.

I'm a leftist and I found out about this stuff from the LEFT, BTw.

It was things like Jello singing about the Trilaterals and environmentalists talking about the "Cremation Of Care" ritual at the Bohemian Grove, that got me into this.

Here's some scary quotes about the NEW WORLD ORDER and how governments of the world are REALLY run.

The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."-- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House

"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of US. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government".
Chester Ward, Rear Admiral and former Navy Judge Advocate 1956 - 1960 and CFR member for 15 years

"NAFTA is a major stepping stone to the New World Order."
Henry Kissinger when campaigning for the passage of NAFTA.

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond , whether real or *promulgated*, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
David Rockefeller

"There is a chance for the President of the United States to use this (9-11) disaster to carry out ... a new world order." Gary Hart, at a televised meeting organized by the CFR in Washington, D.C. Sept 14., 2001

The only politicians fighting against this are Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, now that Cynthia McKinney has been unseated.
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I don't like straight edge because it's part of Hardcore, and I don't like Hardcore because, aside from the terrible music, the kids are often very homophobic.


You forgot ugly, lazy and disrespectful.
#21
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I'm not really, but he did have the Revillos playing on the soundtrack for Sixteen Candles, which was much cooler than most of the 80s films (which seemed to have lots of losers like Van Halen all over them).

I remember taking a girl to see Breakfast Club in the theater and thinking that it didn't suck as bad as movies like Corvette Summer or Meatballs.
Walking home, the girl I went with said that she hated Judd Nelson's character, to which I replied that she was an idiot and I never wanted to see her again.

Proof that she was an idiot...she started dating another guy in my class and married him!
Those losers dated all through middle school, high school and then got married and are still married all these years later!

It's just like that part in the movie "High Fidelity" (which had an SLF song in it, BTW).

Cusack got a lil bit of my respect for wearing that Clash shirt all through the movie "Say Anything" and having Fishbone play on the soundtrack.

Back then, you took what you could get.

Now back to the conspiracies and devil/owl worshipping, child-sacrificing power elites....



that movie(high fidelity) is amazing. there are several punk references in the "top 5's" he does. and the desk in the store has a Blue Meanies Sticker. SKA! haha.
#22
Former Observer editor Will Hutton, who has been invited in the past, has called the group the "high priests of globalisation".

Even a Cypriot has been invited! Leondios Pantelides, the island's ambassador to Greece.

Talking about Bilderberg obviously.
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#23
A while ago on here I remember reading that someone in a punk band, I think it might've been from the Damned, went on a search for the Holy Grail or something like that. Anybody know what I'm talking about?

That Bohemian Club thing is so ****ed up. I want to get one of those books about it.
#24
Henry Rollins covered private companies who supply the military-and essentially have our government by the balls because peace isn't in their interests- recently on his IFC show. I believe they're called Private Military Companies, but it could also be part of Yanqui U.X.O

I can't seem to find that particular video however.
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Henry Rollins covered private companies who supply the military-and essentially have our government by the balls because peace isn't in their interests- recently on his IFC show. I believe they're called Private Military Companies, but it could also be part of Yanqui U.X.O

I can't seem to find that particular video however.


That's what Yanqui UXO means, Military Industrial Complex

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Industrial_Complex
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