#1
My friends wanted to buy a bass so we went to this guitar store and I asked this guy "What are the woods for basses? I mean like in guitars you agathis and that plywood sought of crap and then you go up a level to alder and stuff, what are the bass equivalents?" He replies "It dosn't really matter unless your buying an acoustic instrument" latter I am trying this bass and I ask, "Could you play something to test it?" (I don't play bass). He replies something like, "I play drums" or something like that. I mean what a complete waste of my time, unfortunatly my friends had more dollars than cents and did the stupid "well it's just to learn on so let's buy the crapobass, it won't matter" of coarse the sales assistant agreed with this logic. What happened to tying to help the customer not just sell ****.
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#2
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#3
You get used to it. What's good in the UK is that stores are having to compete with online retailers so staff are now better trained. In our biggest chain music retail store (soundcontrol) they always have a dedicated staff member who plays bass on hand.

Unfortunatly in the US your biggest music retail (GC) owns your biggest online music retailer (musicians friend) so they can have typical worse consumer care due to the lack of competition.

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#4
mom and pop stores are much better, they have their work cut out for them. they know what they're doing, have better prices (no tax on mesa boogies!), etc.
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#5
That's customer service for you. My best tip: Do your homework. Find out exactly what you want and then just go to stores to try out basses. Then you can totally ignore the sales staff. Next go home and buy off the internet.
#6
What's a mom and pop store? I've heard this phrase several times from Americans but never understood it. Is it like a family run, independant store?

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That's customer service for you. My best tip: Do your homework. Find out exactly what you want and then just go to stores to try out basses. Then you can totally ignore the sales staff. Next go home and buy off the internet.


But remember dont buy from MF, you're actually giving GC more profit because they dont have to pay staff costs! Make them pay for poor consumer service and if you buy from a store always threaten to buy online. You'll have the clerk quivering in their boots and ready to barter.

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Fender Standard Jazz Bass
Artec Matrix Pedal Tuner
BBE Optostomp
Boss GEB 7
EHX NYC Big Muff
Ashdown MAG C410T-300
Torque T100BX
GAS-ing for:
Boss SYB5
Behringer Intelligate IG9
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#8
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My friends wanted to buy a bass so we went to this guitar store and I asked this guy "What are the woods for basses? I mean like in guitars you agathis and that plywood sought of crap and then you go up a level to alder and stuff, what are the bass equivalents?" He replies "It dosn't really matter unless your buying an acoustic instrument" latter I am trying this bass and I ask, "Could you play something to test it?" (I don't play bass). He replies something like, "I play drums" or something like that. I mean what a complete waste of my time, unfortunatly my friends had more dollars than cents and did the stupid "well it's just to learn on so let's buy the crapobass, it won't matter" of coarse the sales assistant agreed with this logic. What happened to tying to help the customer not just sell ****.

That's why i won't be accepted to work in one of these stores unless i can play keyboards... I can actually play everything that the one i'm applying for a job in sells.
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#9
I second the Mom and Pop idea.

You CAN NOT go to a GC level retailer and expect great service. That's like playing Russian roulette. You've gotta do your research, and then try **** out yourself. Don't play bass? If you play guitar, you can play bass. You're looking for tone and playability, not to play some Flea bass line.
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#10
Yeah you have to go to Mom and Pop stores. Like in my town the big place is Wood Brothers and everytime I go in there is this guys who like everyone's best friend, It's nuts, I go down ther to get some picks or a new patch chord, and I end up being down there for like hours. Cuz he always like hey, come check this out. Come see this we got it the other day. It's Great...Mom and Pop.
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#11
I'm lucky my GC is awesome. I've never felt any sales pressure at all and they take cash off without me even asking them. There are also some great players there. Also all of the older employees I know are very friendly and knowleadable though of course some of the new employees were annoying and such but I've never had one go up to me and ask "You interested in buying that?"

I remember when I bought my american strat there. They took 3 hundred dollars off the street price. I don't know how they did it but they just did. I do go there a lot though. Didn't even ask he was like "Let me see what I can do for you here"
#12
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mom and pop stores are much better, they have their work cut out for them. they know what they're doing, have better prices (no tax on mesa boogies!), etc.


+1,000

To TS Don't expect everybody that works at a guitar store to play guitar. Many guitar stores sell drums, flutes, pianos, etc.
#13
I refuse to deal with any Guitar Centers or its affiliated internet entities. (Btw, if you buy from amazon, its still Musicians Friend). My experience at GC is that you have to hang from the ceiling naked to get waited on and when you get help, its help in the loosest sense of the word.

Mom and pop are the best. The employees who work there are generally knowledgable and many times, they have a bass person, a guitar person etc etc on staff. I'm lucky, I have not one but three good local guitar shops to choose from.
#15
i must say, the guitar centers around me are amazing...the guys there are quite knowledgeable when it comes to this stuff...and thats why i keep going back...i'm only 17 and i've already put more than 2,500 dollars into that store
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#17
i work at a small end music store, i try to help as much as i can, but one some dude asks me to play a guitar im like cant help you man get a bass oor some drums and we'll talk, but i know a good amount about guitars and wat not so i usually can help, so i vote just go to a small end place
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#18
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I second the Mom and Pop idea.

You CAN NOT go to a GC level retailer and expect great service. That's like playing Russian roulette. You've gotta do your research, and then try **** out yourself. Don't play bass? If you play guitar, you can play bass. You're looking for tone and playability, not to play some Flea bass line.


There are balances, though. The store I go to isn't a chain per se, but they recently opened up some other stores, and they're great. But I visited this mom-and-pop store, looking for a bass distortion pedal (which I ended up settling on my Fulltone). Anyway, the guy there was kind of annoyed when I asked him for one, but then got all smiley and said 'the beautiful thing about bass effects is that it doesn't need to say "bass" on it for it to work!" Then he pulls out a Boss DS-1. Oh God... then he let me play a Schecter 5-string and made me take off my coat that had zippers on it, and said the perplexing line "we want you to buy this bass because you like it, not because it has a scratch on it." I didn't bother reminding him he was trying to sell me a distortion pedal.

And for God's sake, like a zipper can scratch the 6 inch thick layer of poly laquer on the damn bass...
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#20
I browsed and read for at least a week before buying my first bass and its a decent bass(Ibanez GSR 200) that should last a while....and I'm in the south so customer service is polite and helpful....
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#21
Yeah you probably want to know the ins and outs of everything you are looking to buy, and just kind of nod your head the assistant is telling you about it. Just remember, at the end of the day(figuratively speaking of course), they are just trying to make a sell.

the thing about Mom and Pop stores(around me) is that usually their selection is crap and everything is WAYY overpriced, and me being on a pretty tight budget and coming from a house in the suburbs that saved its coupons, I can't pay more for the same thing I can get for less. It goes against my instinct.
#22
We got this place around here called Joes Guitars. Great place only one guy works there named Joe and he gives a lot of discounts.
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the thing about Mom and Pop stores(around me) is that usually their selection is crap and everything is WAYY overpriced, and me being on a pretty tight budget and coming from a house in the suburbs that saved its coupons, I can't pay more for the same thing I can get for less. It goes against my instinct.


That's why you find a cheaper price, quote it. Then tell the Mom & Pop store. They'll at least match the price or throw in some free stuff (tuners, a pedal, cables etc.) that way you save your money and help out small, local business.

If they don't have it in, ask them to order it in! They probably will if they stock other stuff from the same manufacturer.

Gear:
Fender Standard Jazz Bass
Artec Matrix Pedal Tuner
BBE Optostomp
Boss GEB 7
EHX NYC Big Muff
Ashdown MAG C410T-300
Torque T100BX
GAS-ing for:
Boss SYB5
Behringer Intelligate IG9
#24
The store I go to is a smallish one. Not part of a chain (I think it is the only one) and it has really helpful people. They know what they are talking about and are more than willing to help you chose and let you try stuff even if you tell them before you won't be buying any time soon (got the try a Warwick Jazzman today as I was trying out different p-up combinations).

It is mostly filled by younger staff, only one guy who looks older than 30, but as it is a guitar and bass specialist shop, they all know what they are doing.
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#25
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You get used to it. What's good in the UK is that stores are having to compete with online retailers so staff are now better trained. In our biggest chain music retail store (soundcontrol) they always have a dedicated staff member who plays bass on hand.

Unfortunatly in the US your biggest music retail (GC) owns your biggest online music retailer (musicians friend) so they can have typical worse consumer care due to the lack of competition.


the guy that taught me was at sound control.
he was an ace bass teacher and great bass player
#26
I'm pretty limited with my choice of music stores. I have a GC and a small one that isn't a chain. The small store is pretty unprofessional. When I had lessons my teacher wouldn't show up sometimes and they're willing to sell you anything. They'll say anything for a sale. The GC isn't much better. They don't keep good care of the basses and quite a few have problems. They have maybe 4 amps to try out. This wouldn't be a problem if either store actually had a good selection. The only upside is that GC has quite a few Warwicks.
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#27
There's a few stores around my area:

-Performance Music, where I take my lessons. Great staff, very professional, but everything's more expensive, and the selection isn't that great.
-Falcetti's Music, which is part of a small chain. Better selection, lower prices. Haven;t asked for help.
-Daddy's Junky Music, part of a slightly bigger chain. Best selection, good prices. Haven't asked them for help much, but they've been pretty good when I ask.
-Music Men. Most expensive, and they don't let you touch the instruments unless you're buying. I don't go there very often.
#28
There's a few in my area, including a leone's music world, and a Long+ Mquade, I usually go to Leone's for the selection to check out some stuff, I go to Long+ Mcquade for strings, for major buying, I go to a couple places called riverside and tecumseh music centre, which usually order stuff, and get me free stuff/discounts on the side.
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#29
Here there are only two stores. One of them for some reason only carries Dean, nothing else and the other has an insane amount of stuff in the store, its pretty damn big and you have trouble walking around because there's so much stuff and they have really, really good prices. But you can't just go there and try out stuff. You can only try something if you're there to buy something and the staff there are really mean especially the store owner. They act like if you didn't take any lessons you're an idiot, you don't know what you're doing and you won't go anywhere and the store owner pretty much screams at everyone. I know a guy who got insulted and screamed at for like 20 minutes because he bought his guitar somewhere else because he got a better deal and the only reason why he was at the store was to buy picks and he left without them.
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#31
My Guitar Center is pretty awesome, I've had a lot of help from the people there, and never once have they asked me, "do you want to buy that?" or anything along those lines. The only things they ever "ask" me are, "do you need any help," "is there something you want to try out," "how are you doing?" Haha, yeah, and I've seen a couple of really good people come in, the other day I saw this absolutely AMAZING bassist come in, and yeah, I wanted to talk to him, but he left shortly after he was done playing...sadly. Plus, the place has tons of instruments and amps, and they'll let you try ANYTHING out, even if it is brand new and hasn't even been taken out of a box yet. So yeah, definately one of the best places I've gone. Then, the closest place to me is a Meeker Music which is alright, very small shop, and both places don't have many books for bass, but excellent service at both.
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#32
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Small town music store> than $10 dollar lower prices. Guitar Centers the devil. Just because they give me a free t-shirt doesn't mean they own my soul.


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#33
The guys at my local music store are pretty good. They know what they're talking about for the most part and try to get you the best deal. For instance, I was thinking about buying a Marshall amp, but the guy showed me a Vox that was marked down to the same price, and I like it much better than the Marshall.
You still have to watch out for them though, even if they seem knowledgable. They get commission, so they usually will try to get you to buy the more expensive stuff.
#34
I remember when i went to buy my first bass.

I had already picked up how to play, so i knew what i was doing.

The guy asked me what kind of music do you like i was like.. Primus, Mr Bungle, Soundgarden.

He just stared at me lol.

and wasn't very helpful i just picked the bass which sounded best to me.