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well duh, when a song about how ****ty america is becomes number one, i'd say it's pretty ****ing commerciaised
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So... the rebellion has become the conformity that it was created to destroy?


Dang... didn't see that one coming...
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So... the rebellion has become the conformity that it was created to destroy?

Dang... didn't see that one coming...

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Yeah, unfortunately that's how things go. In an effort to go against the "greater evil", a rebellion starts, then others join that rebellion and share the same views, and it eventually becomes a smaller "greater evil".

I believe that's why Music changes every once in a while. Many were trying to be different or better than the last form. I'll start at Blues. Blues, to Pop of the '50s, then Classic Rock and more widespread Folk, from that spawns Soft Rock and '70s Rock and Metal, along with the growth of R&B, and Soul, which brings us to '80s Metal, Glam, Hip Hop, Electronica, '80s Pop, to Grunge, a huge increase in Alternative Rock (proving Strummer's Law), big boosts to Hip Hop, an underculture of Dance music, Nu Metal, today's Pop, all of the "-core" genres (which REALLY proves the Law), and all of whatever else has spawned.

That's a broad list of course, but it provides a decent skeleton to show how Musical tastes of the ages reinforced the Law.
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this reinforces something though that most people know forget.

the counterculture wasnt a rebellion for the sake of rebellion, it was a rebellion because they thought their conformity was right.

slash: to the guy above me, your timeline is way off.

glam started right after the 70s started and soul was the biggest thing before the british invasion in the late 60s. i mean, everyone loved soul back then. but i know that wasnt the point of your post, and i agree. all new genres are brought to the forefront by kids who can't stand what their older siblings listen to.

which is exactly why "indie" will take over in a bit.
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no, that wasnt my point.

the only way to truly rebel is to shut up, since no one does that anymore. the airwaves are ruled by "I'M EDGIER!1!" and stuff like that.

oh, but they won't fool the children of the revolution, now will they?
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this reinforces something though that most people know forget.

the counterculture wasnt a rebellion for the sake of rebellion, it was a rebellion because they thought their conformity was right.

slash: to the guy above me, your timeline is way off.

glam started right after the 70s started and soul was the biggest thing before the british invasion in the late 60s. i mean, everyone loved soul back then. but i know that wasnt the point of your post, and i agree. all new genres are brought to the forefront by kids who can't stand what their older siblings listen to.

which is exactly why "indie" will take over in a bit.

you really know your music. nice.

i hope indie takes over. im not a huge fan of it, but its way better than what we have now...
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I totally agree with the statement. That's why I don't rebel against conformity. I choose to ignore it.
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you really know your music. nice.

i hope indie takes over. im not a huge fan of it, but its way better than what we have now...


idk, i'm against it and for it.

i'm against bands riding it's coattails (which will happen) but the arcade fire really have potential for shaking the industry.
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this reinforces something though that most people know forget.

the counterculture wasnt a rebellion for the sake of rebellion, it was a rebellion because they thought their conformity was right.

slash: to the guy above me, your timeline is way off.

glam started right after the 70s started and soul was the biggest thing before the british invasion in the late 60s. i mean, everyone loved soul back then. but i know that wasnt the point of your post, and i agree. all new genres are brought to the forefront by kids who can't stand what their older siblings listen to.

which is exactly why "indie" will take over in a bit.

Yeah I wasn't going for dead-on accuracy, but it was 6 AM when I wrote it, and I didn't live in most of those times, so it wasn't terrible. It was kind of meant to be a bit subjective, it's not completely easy to find the exact starts of new kinds of Music, but it's easy to remember who did it well.

On the counterculture thing, you're right, but that crumbles also. The counterculture gained its own counter-counterculture, those who didn't agree with the counterculture's views , and thought their way was right. To make it simple, it snowballed from there, each culture gained its own opposition, and with new technology, new thinking, and drugs galore, it added up to a butt load of possibilities for Music's advancement. It's a never ending cycle really, even if Indie does in fact 'take over' at some point, its opposition will make itself known, and etc. etc., the cycle continues.

To be honest, as much as I don't like to see some genres 'die', it happens, and it's actually good for Music in general. In the '90s when I was younger, I couldn't get enough of Classic Rock, I thought it was the absolute best, I loved everything about it, and I thought it was terrible that it's so hard to find newer bands willing to go back to that style. Eventually I realized that some types of Music will go away after a while, and with computers and CDs and all that, I could still listen to them any time I wanted. This opened me up to accept more forms of Music, and I can tolerate just about anything now, and at some level, respect it.
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oh, i agree with you on the counterculture thing, but today we have people who rebel for the sake of rebellion *cough*most "punks" now*cough* while we've never really seen it in such large numbers.

and the thing about genres dieing is that they don't really, they get absorbed by others. glam may have "died" but it was the basis of the 70s punk rebellion so it still lives on a bit.

and there are always throwback bands that don't suck. the thing that keeps them from sucking is that they don't try and sound just like it. take for instance, earl greyhound. easily the better wolfmother because, unlike wolfmother, they take cues from more than just a certian sound.
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this reinforces something though that most people know forget.

the counterculture wasnt a rebellion for the sake of rebellion, it was a rebellion because they thought their conformity was right.

slash: to the guy above me, your timeline is way off.

glam started right after the 70s started and soul was the biggest thing before the british invasion in the late 60s. i mean, everyone loved soul back then. but i know that wasnt the point of your post, and i agree. all new genres are brought to the forefront by kids who can't stand what their older siblings listen to.

which is exactly why "indie" will take over in a bit.



Ahh, the irony that most indie music isn't actully indie...


.... the term indie label can't really by paraded by sony/BMI etc.
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I would do that for real, but it's quarter after 7, I haven't slept, and I'm getting an ever increasing headache. Maybe later on, but I will say I agree with what you said about "rebelling for the sake of rebelling," that's been rampant for too long.
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Ahh, the irony that most indie music isn't actully indie...


.... the term indie label can't really by paraded by sony/BMI etc.


note the quotations around indie in my post
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this reinforces something though that most people know forget.

the counterculture wasnt a rebellion for the sake of rebellion, it was a rebellion because they thought their conformity was right.

slash: to the guy above me, your timeline is way off.

glam started right after the 70s started and soul was the biggest thing before the british invasion in the late 60s. i mean, everyone loved soul back then. but i know that wasnt the point of your post, and i agree. all new genres are brought to the forefront by kids who can't stand what their older siblings listen to.

which is exactly why "indie" will take over in a bit.

That's funny because Metallica started when James Hetfield started listening to his OLDER brothers Sabbath records....


Back ON topic, theres very few "true" rebels now a days, but then againit's hard to distinguish from the "real" ones and kids that are just doing it to be cool. It doesn't really matter either way though because theres too few of the true rebels to make a difference, there may be tons of kids that do believe in anarchy or just hating the government but they're too confortable in the position they're in to jeopardize having creature comforts just for some ideals that will most likely get crushed by the government.
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That's funny because Metallica started when James Hetfield started listening to his OLDER brothers Sabbath records....


because i was speaking in absolutes, right?

"older siblings" was meant to represent the age group that was right above you who listened to stuff you didnt like. do you think james liked the stuff that was popular when he was young? of course not.

then again, no one sets out to make their sound huge. if they do, they're twats.
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then again, no one sets out to make their sound huge. if they do, they're twats.

Unfortunatley that's whats on the minds of every band that gets started now, "Ooooooh I want to be famous so I'm going to write music just so people like me..."
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Unfortunatley that's whats on the minds of every band that gets started now, "Ooooooh I want to be famous so I'm going to write music just so people like me..."


well that may be on the minds of a lot of the youth today, but it always has been.

do you think elvis started soley because he loved music? led zeppelin? the beatles?

all started a band because it was the cool thing to do back then. the more things change, the more you realize they stay the same.
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well that may be on the minds of a lot of the youth today, but it always has been.

do you think elvis started soley because he loved music? led zeppelin? the beatles?

all started a band because it was the cool thing to do back then. the more things change, the more you realize they stay the same.

I'm saying that's ALL that's on their minds, I realise that the older bands did it too. I guess the only bands that aren't in it completely for the money would be "Indie" bands, but even that labels getting ruined by Myspace and the such. Punk (real do it yourself punk) is probably another point, but thats label got tainted by 70's punk A.K.A Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Ramones. They were wayyyy to mainstream to still be considered underground.


EDIT: The retard I am forgot Reggae+Ska bands, the old ones based in Jamaica were really only around to have an awesomely (new word) fun time, some even going as far as making their songs political in nature (Ok well maybe they ALL started out poilitcal seeing as the basis for most modern day music was in fact music the Slaves sang while working during slavery)
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I'm saying that's ALL that's on their minds, I realise that the older bands did it too. I guess the only bands that aren't in it completely for the money would be "Indie" bands, but even that labels getting ruined by Myspace and the such. Punk (real do it yourself punk) is probably another point, but thats label got tainted by 70's punk A.K.A Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Ramones. They were wayyyy to mainstream to still be considered underground.


oh, i know what you're saying. but there are always going to be the ones who are thinking like that. that's why there's one hit wonders.

eh, doesnt matter to me though why a band makes music. as long as i like it.