#1
can someone please help me with diminished chords.

I got my 7ths 6th's sus2 sus4 major minor etc. Im just stuck on dimished.

i read two diffrent things about dimished chords.

one place i read it was a I bIII bV VI

but other places i read that a dimished chord is only 3 notes not four.


so instead of trying to figure it our, i say **** it, once i see the chord shape THEN i'll realize which was correct. But then i cant din the chord shape. I search for C#dim, but i cant find it. Well I find it, but its justa bunch of slash chords, like C#dim/D or C#dim/G or somethign like that.


can someone help me out?
#2
dim : 1 b3 b5
dim7 : 1 b3 b5 bb7
m7-5 : 1 b3 b5 b7
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#3
A diminished chord is a triad built of minor thirds. A diminished 7 adds another minor 3rd. A C#dim7 chord uses the notes C#,E,G,Bb. You might play it like this:
|--3--
|--2--
|--3--
|--2--
|-----
|-----

Edit: that's a C#dim/E btw. The slash thing is just an inversion in this case.
Last edited by ZootCst at Jul 1, 2007,
#4
^ Minor chords use minor 3rds.
diminished chords use both minor 3rds AND diminished 5ths
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#5
its the root, flatted third, flatted 5th. Nothing to do with the sixth, don't know where you got that info from, but its wrong.
#6
Quote by Logz
^ Minor chords use minor 3rds.
diminished chords use both minor 3rds AND diminished 5ths

Yes, but a diminished 5th = min 3rd + min 3rd. Minor chords = min 3rd + Maj 3rd.
#7
Quote by C130
Nothing to do with the sixth.


Its not a 6th. Its a flattened diminished 7th. It may sound the same, but in theory its different.


Quote by ZootCst

Yes, but a diminished 5th = min 3rd + min 3rd. Minor chords = min 3rd + Maj 3rd.


Ah right, i get where your coming from. Pretty awkward way of explaining it though. But i suppose it is useful in other theory.
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#8
Quote by Logz
Pretty awkward way of explaining it though. But i suppose it is useful in other theory.


Lot's of things are awkward to explain in a couple of sentences on a thread post when you don't know anything about who you're trying to explain it too.
#9
Quote by ZootCst
Lot's of things are awkward to explain in a couple of sentences on a thread post when you don't know anything about who you're trying to explain it too.


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#10
Quote by Logz
Its not a 6th. Its a flattened diminished 7th. It may sound the same, but in theory its different.


Huh? Where did the 'flatted diminished 7th come from'. I was responding to this: "one place i read it was a I bIII bV VI". What's that VI in there?
#11
Quote by C130
Huh? Where did the 'flatted diminished 7th come from'. I was responding to this: "one place i read it was a I bIII bV VI". What's that VI in there?


Sorry. Thought you were talking about my post: bb7
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#12
because it's a diminished 7th chord, it has to contain some interval of a 7th. thus the bb7.

Logz is correct, even though a maj6 is the same pitch , it needs to be called a bb7.