#1
I'm really un-decided which to go for.
Both would be on a Mahogony body,
The Duncans would be on a Maple neck and a Rosewood neck fretboard.
The EMG's on a Mahogony neck, again with a Rosewood fretboard.

I play MOSTLY metal, everything from just general heavy metal (Pantera, Black Label Society etc), alot of thrash metal, some melodic death metal, some death metal in general and some 'hardcore' if that's what you want to call it lol. I try vary what music I play

However I also play alot of classic rock, Zeppelin, Floyd, Hendrix, Sabbath, Thin Lizzy, Rory Gallagher, Cream (clapton in general), etc/ You get the idea.

I was considering just buying a used strat or something that would set me back too much to cover the classic rock/blues side of things, however I'm a bit un-decided. If i could get a guitar that would do both then excelent, but I don't want to sacrafise the metal side of the tone for a blues tone... at all.

So, my problem:
Which set of pickups are better suited to what I play

See, Michael Amott from Arch Enemy (a big influence for me) uses the JB/'59 in his sig model, as did Dave Mustaine back in the days he wasn't rubbish lol.
Will Adler (lamb of god) also uses the JB.

However I hear its a very trebley pickup? Cant be much more so than the EMG? haha.
Anyway, what do you all think?

Note: I like my high gain, but I also care about tone. I like a nice distinct tone to what I would be playing, similar to that of Michael Amot actually, I've always felt he has more of a distinct tone to his guitar than most metal guitars, similar somewhat to Dimebag, yet still have the high gain.

So what do you think?
#2
first off why differnt necks for the different pickups? and i say go with EMG 81/85, the 81 is great for metal in teh bridge, and on teh EMG site i'm pretty sure it says the 85 is a rhythm pickup for blues jazz and metal
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#3
you want EMGs
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first off why differnt necks for the different pickups? and i say go with EMG 81/85, the 81 is great for metal in teh bridge, and on teh EMG site i'm pretty sure it says the 85 is a rhythm pickup for blues jazz and metal


Because that's the guitar the pickups come on lol.
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#5
To me, a JB will sound too trebely in a thin body guitar like an SG (at least mine). In a thicker body Les Paul, they sound almost perfect. As for EMG's, I don't find them very versatile at all. I had the 81 and 85 in my Paul and prefer the JB and 59 that I replaced them with much more. But that may be just me. If possible, try each out in a local store to get a general feel for them before you buy them.
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#6
Eh, I have Emgs and they aren't all that. They are very clear when distorted, but have a weird compressed sound. Your much better going with passive pickups like the Jb. If you don't like it you can take it out and replace it, but EMgs are not the way to go.
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^in all fairness you arent using an all that amp to compliment it. When they go through an all that amp they sounds great and uncompressed
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#8
EMGs. I have experience with both.

The SD JB in my Schecter sounds weak, thin, an trebley. The 59 is alright in the neck but the JB bridge is no good for metal IMO. Maybe if you swapped it out to a 59/59 combo that would be nicer.

Whereas the EMG 81/60 combo in my Viper kicks arse, 81 is super focused, lots of clarity etc. and the 60 in the neck is creamy, and fat, great for solos and general clean stuff. EMGs are VERY responsive to your guitar controls aswell so they clean up nice with a roll back of the volume and the 81 will fatten out a bit with a bit of treble cut by the tone knob.

After saying all that.. I think the EMGs in the Schecter are 81/85? .. If so.. I hate 85s. Too high output and too focused for a neck pickup.

So.. Either change the JB bridge for a 59 = 59/59 combo. Which I like.
or change the 85 neck for a 60 = 81/60 combo. Which I love.

EMGs will do your metal best, and if you have 81/60 combo, would do everything else just as well as the SDs also.
#9
Ah, thanks folks
Tbh I could always see myself going for the EMG's, something about them appeals to me.

Really the only thing that was pushing me towards the JB/59 set was that Dave Mustain, Will Alder (lamb of god) and Michael Amott (Arch Enemy) use them. Those three guitarists happen to be 3 very influencial guitarists to me. And although it was not a case of 'oh thats what they use I want them' I just figured if those tones are along the lines of what I'm looking for anyway I'd be aswell going for those.

But you reckon I should go EMG? I realise alot of the tone is your amp (which I have no idea again which one im going to go for haha) but yea, overall you suggest the Hellraiser?
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I say a hellraiser, and trade the 85 for a 60 in the neck. Another option is an 89 which is two SAs, that sound both great in humbucker and split mode.



Nah i think the purpose for those is a coil-tap. I dont really have any use for a coil-tap. Id probably be buying a strat at somepoint anyway. Thanks tho.
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#12
The bad reviews for EMG's really p*ss me off.
Are they as bad as people say they are, like am I going to wish I hadn't in a years time or so?
Its pushing me to go for the jb/59 as they seem more versatile?
#13
dont believe online reviews from store websites, or even teh UG main page. take them with a grain of salt
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#14
I love my EMG's and I've had them for over two years in my Les Paul now. You really don't do them justice playing through a SS amp, they shine when they're played through tube
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#15
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Eh, I have Emgs and they aren't all that. They are very clear when distorted, but have a weird compressed sound. Your much better going with passive pickups like the Jb. If you don't like it you can take it out and replace it, but EMgs are not the way to go.


I agree with what he says. I have EMG's in my S-series and even though it does get that real buzzkill tone and can definitely be heard through the mix I prefer the tone on most passives. Thats why I think the JB would be better. Even though you can get a decent more classic and blues tone with the EMG's, the JB will just give you much more tonal variety. Plus you won't have to worry about changing batteries.

Edit: "The bad reviews for EMG's really p*ss me off.
Are they as bad as people say they are, like am I going to wish I hadn't in a years time or so? Its pushing me to go for the jb/59 as they seem more versatile?"

I liked the EMG's in my S at first, and now I wish I money to put a nice set of passives in it (D-Sonic, Area'58, Air Norton).
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#16
i love the way JBs sound especially for metal. not a huge fan of the active stuff.. (unless it in a bass) I'm not sure where people think its a trebly pickup.. i have one my RG 321 and i find its a very balanced sounding pickup.

my notes come thru clean and clear without any mud or harsh icepick freq's/

the tune in my sig was recorded using an JB. you'll agree it isn't trebly.
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I love my EMG's and I've had them for over two years in my Les Paul now. You really don't do them justice playing through a SS amp, they shine when they're played through tube


I've played them, with a Paul, through a JCM800 and Mesa Dual Rec and got tired of them real quick. I guess it's just a matter of preference. But I'd take passives any day.
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#19
generally speaking, the emg's will do metal better, while the duncans will do the non-metal thing better.

Best if you can try them... in case you hate one or more of the pickups...
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#20
Ah, thanks all

I'm still un-decided, but your help has been most useful

I think I'm actually leaning towards the JB/59 combo.

They seem most versatile, all I worry about now is how they really handle for metal...
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Boo, JB. My combo is better and more versatile.


How does your JB handle for metal?
#24
Heh? I don't use the JB. I don't like it. I have a Jazz + Duncan Custom. I also don't play metal, but a friend of mine does, and he can do metal with mine.

The Custom Custom does metal just fine. It'll do the classic rock stuff awesomely. Don't even worry that much about the pickups. Put it this way: Mark Morton of Lamb of God uses two Duncan '59's, two PAF-voiced pickups suited for classic rock - LOG is plenty heavy and aggressive. Slash uses two Alnico Pro II's, something more suited for blues, or blues-rock, and he does famously.
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#25
I don't like my JB at all.

It does goofy hair metal, that's about it. I have to mix it with the neck humbucker to find a tone that I like. Of course I'm kind of picky that way .
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Heh? I don't use the JB. I don't like it. I have a Jazz + Duncan Custom. I also don't play metal, but a friend of mine does, and he can do metal with mine.

The Custom Custom does metal just fine. It'll do the classic rock stuff awesomely. Don't even worry that much about the pickups. Put it this way: Mark Morton of Lamb of God uses two Duncan '59's, two PAF-voiced pickups suited for classic rock - LOG is plenty heavy and aggressive. Slash uses two Alnico Pro II's, something more suited for blues, or blues-rock, and he does famously.

Mark Morton also uses a Mark IV
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I don't like my JB at all.

It does goofy hair metal, that's about it. I have to mix it with the neck humbucker to find a tone that I like. Of course I'm kind of picky that way .


i like goofy hair metal, and i don't like the jb...


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Heh? I don't use the JB. I don't like it. I have a Jazz + Duncan Custom. I also don't play metal, but a friend of mine does, and he can do metal with mine.

The Custom Custom does metal just fine. It'll do the classic rock stuff awesomely. Don't even worry that much about the pickups. Put it this way: Mark Morton of Lamb of God uses two Duncan '59's, two PAF-voiced pickups suited for classic rock - LOG is plenty heavy and aggressive. Slash uses two Alnico Pro II's, something more suited for blues, or blues-rock, and he does famously.


i don't like the custom custom for high gain metal, it's too mushy. stupid alnico II... those '59's, while lower output are alnico V... i wouldn't call them mushy.
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#31
i don't like the custom custom for high gain metal, it's too mushy. stupid alnico II... those '59's, while lower output are alnico V... i wouldn't call them mushy.


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i don't like the custom custom for high gain metal, it's too mushy. stupid alnico II... those '59's, while lower output are alnico V... i wouldn't call them mushy.

Haha, alright. I've never played high gain metal, so I'll take your word for it. Black Sabbath is about as heavy as I get, I guess.
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Haha, alright. I've never played high gain metal, so I'll take your word for it. Black Sabbath is about as heavy as I get, I guess.


yeah. i just don't really see the point, to be honest. it just mushes up under high gain. that's not necessarily a criticism of duncan, it just tends to happen with high gain. My criticism is making a high output pickup with alnico II... to be honest, i really don't see the point. That's just my opinion, of course, but yeah.
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#34
^i my custom custom i think does high gain just dandy. just as well as an X2N, d sonic, and duncan distortion.

i dont see a problem with it.
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i just don't like it. For medium gain, it's pretty nice. personal preference and all, of course.

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#36
it does crunch very nicely, makes me ooze a bit. same with cleans, when split, paired with a 59, it will get strat clean. and this is in a mahagony body.
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