#1
I have just got a new computer it is a Gateway GT5428 and it has Windows Vista Premium and i have had more problems than anything, I am having trouble with my wireless adapter and i keep getting a blue screen, and my harddrive space is like shrinking, last night i had aroudn 194 GB of free space and today i checked theres only 183 GB, does anyone kown what the hell is up?
#2
Uh, wtf are you doing to it? I've had absolutely no problems with my Dell laptop with Vista Home Premium.
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#3
Install Ubuntu.
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#4
The best thing to do right now would be to just downgrade to XP or 2000. Vista is a total piece of crap right now, so I doubt you'll have any luck with it...
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#6
Just ring gateway, explain that you want XP and you'll return the Vista discs and ask if they'll send you an XP one. They should do it

Otherwise, install Ubuntu
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The best thing to do right now would be to just downgrade to XP or 2000. Vista is a total piece of crap right now, so I doubt you'll have any luck with it...


I recommend the downgrade as well (if you can call it that)
The Vista has too many problems right now, and it'll take a while before everything gets fixed, like with any other Windows OS
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Install Ubuntu.



Judging from his grammatical skills, he probably doesn't even know what that is...


*light bulb* call Dell!
#10
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Judging from his grammatical skills, he probably doesn't even know what that is...


*light bulb* call Dell!



can you help me out, and tell me why i would want to call dell???
#13
That doesn't sound like anything to do with vista to me. Just do a system restore, and if its still playing up, send it back to gateway.
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#15
I recently bought a Vista computer and it runs fine for me... Maybe you should cut down on all the porn.
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I recommend the downgrade as well (if you can call it that)
The Vista has too many problems right now, and it'll take a while before everything gets fixed, like with any other Windows OS



Vista is atrocious but i don't have to many problems with XP.
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Install Ubuntu.


Install any Linux besides Linspire.
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#18
My buddy has Vista and its ****, plain and simple. Just get XP and you'll be good.
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Install Ubuntu.


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#20
vista is OK, its not "omg I have to get vista or i'll shoot myself"good
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vista is OK, its not "omg I have to get vista or i'll shoot myself"good


I don't think anything is that good...
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#23
Ubuntu ftw
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I have just got a new computer it is a Gateway GT5428 and it has Windows Vista Premium and i have had more problems than anything, I am having trouble with my wireless adapter and i keep getting a blue screen, and my harddrive space is like shrinking, last night i had aroudn 194 GB of free space and today i checked theres only 183 GB, does anyone kown what the hell is up?


just an FYI for all you Vista-haters, I've got two systems (one new, one old) running Vista and have had no problems.

As for your problem, make sure the wireless card is installed correctly into the slot and is well seated. This sounds more like a problem with the wireless card itself and not Vista. If the OS wasn't recognizing the card or was having problems connecting, I'd assume its the OS, but the BSoD sounds more like a hardware issue.

As for your HDD space, I can't answer that one. How much have you installed since last night? Keep in mind that Windows stores crash information, so its likely some of that space is information saved from the crashes (however I can't imagine how it has 11 GB of it).

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Install Ubuntu.

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Install any Linux besides Linspire.


Thats not helpful, grow up.
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As for your HDD space, I can't answer that one. How much have you installed since last night? Keep in mind that Windows stores crash information, so its likely some of that space is information saved from the crashes (however I can't imagine how it has 11 GB of it).

Thats not helpful, grow up.


Telling him to get rid of this problematic operating system and go for a stable, open-source alternative is very helpful.
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#26
my friend just got that exact same computer (its a laptop right?) and it has vista premium and it works perfectly, sorry for not being able to help, but yeah downgrade
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Telling him to get rid of this problematic operating system and go for a stable, open-source alternative is very helpful.


Problematic? I've yet to have any troubles, no one I know or work with has had any troubles either. Honestly I've had more problems with my Linux installs that I have any of my Windows installs and I've used both for about the same amount of time. At one point, Linux was a powerful and great OS, but its gone down the drain in the past few years when it started targeting the general public for their user base. All of the package managers suck, most of the distros come with way too much crap installed, and the security of the OS is about as over rated as OSX (although there are a few advantages of Linux over OS X). There is no standardization, some distributions have some improvements that others don't. And why they decided to completely trash the original implementation of things like nslookup and vi (to name a few) is beyond me. Linux is so far from what Unix was meant to be, its not even funny.

You come into every Windows thread and your advice is to switch to Linux, that is called being a fanboy and it is not helpful. It seems the open source fanboys are quickly outnumbering the Mac fanboys, so now instead of hearing 'lawl get a Mac', I have to hear 'lolffle install Linux'. I wonder if BSD is next
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You've obviously never really used linux. I sense you've perhaps installed Fedora, and due to the lack of a start button ran back to XP.

I'm running Gentoo linux. The package management is brilliant, any package I want is at my fingertips through portage. With one tool, emerge, I can get the package on my machine, unpacked, compiled to my system, and installed automatically.

Everything in the machine is tailored to the hardware for the best performance. I control everything that goes in to the machine, the kernel, the compiler, the libraries, unlike those other 'user friendly' distros that force an ancient kernel and a sluggish graphical interface on you (Hey! Kinda like Windows!).

I also decide which device drivers are compiled in to the kernel. No need to go to my chipset manufacturers web site and download some proprietary software, I can just add the driver to my kernel, make, and copy to the boot partition for grub to load on the next boot.

And of course, it's open source. The software companies and business execs don't decide what software I need, the community works together to create the software they want, and rid it of bugs. I'm not a programmer, but I still contribute to the linux community simply by running the software. If I find a bug, I just report it to the bug database of that project, and the developers take notice and a bugfix is released within the next week or so. Whereas, with software like Windows, the bugfixes are released once every few years as service packs.

Oh, and let's not forget the fact that linux doesn't need any of those virus scanners, it's built upon a stable foundation, and no user could possibly let malicious code be executed as the root user.

Linux is simply better than Windows.
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You've obviously never really used linux. I sense you've perhaps installed Fedora, and due to the lack of a start button ran back to XP.


I've used Linux for over 10 years and used Mandrake, Red Hat (pre-Fedora), FC1/2/4/6, Gentoo, Slackware, Suse, just to name a few.


I'm running Gentoo linux. The package management is brilliant, any package I want is at my fingertips through portage. With one tool, emerge, I can get the package on my machine, unpacked, compiled to my system, and installed automatically.


Whatever, I had nothing but problems with it. I've used most of the package managers and they all suck, I guess you can say I'm a fanboy for the FreeBSD ports tree. Its simple, it works, which is a lot more than can be said about the Linux package managers.


Everything in the machine is tailored to the hardware for the best performance. I control everything that goes in to the machine, the kernel, the compiler, the libraries, unlike those other 'user friendly' distros that force an ancient kernel and a sluggish graphical interface on you (Hey! Kinda like Windows!).


Yea, because X Windows is so amazing....

And an ancient kernel? heh, don't even start.

Whereas, with software like Windows, the bugfixes are released once every few years as service packs.


Funny, I downloaded a few fixes about a week ago.


Oh, and let's not forget the fact that linux doesn't need any of those virus scanners, it's built upon a stable foundation, and no user could possibly let malicious code be executed as the root user.


I got a good chuckle out of this.

Lets start with the rather stupid comment about not needing a virus scanner. There are PLENTY of rootkits and backdoors available for Linux, not running a host IDS or AV is about the most retarded thing you can do.

Getting root once you have access to the system is a joke. There are so many privilege escalation vulnerabilities in most Linux installs its a joke. Not to mention writing reliable exploits for Linux is far easier than Windows.
Linux is simply better than Windows.


No, it simply isn't.

The number of vulnerabilities in a typical Linux install goes far beyond a Windows install, there were more vulnerabilities in the 2.6.x kernel in 2006 than Windows XP Pro, and thats not including X windows, KDE, gnome, etc.
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#32
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Yea, because X Windows is so amazing....


X.org is the graphical layer, and if you don't have an ATi card, it's much more efficient than directX. KDE is pretty damn awesome too. It's got everything you need.

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I got a good chuckle out of this.

Lets start with the rather stupid comment about not needing a virus scanner. There are PLENTY of rootkits and backdoors available for Linux, not running a host IDS or AV is about the most retarded thing you can do.

Getting root once you have access to the system is a joke. There are so many privilege escalation vulnerabilities in most Linux installs its a joke. Not to mention writing reliable exploits for Linux is far easier than Windows.


Care to elaborate? I do have a firewall on my network, that's a must for any OS, but I'm talking about viruses, worms, exploits. But educate me on how to remotely gain root access on a machine that isn't run by a 12-year-old.

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No, it simply isn't.

The number of vulnerabilities in a typical Linux install goes far beyond a Windows install, there were more vulnerabilities in the 2.6.x kernel in 2006 than Windows XP Pro, and thats not including X windows, KDE, gnome, etc.


Once again, care to elaborate? This is why windows users need adblocks, virus shields, spyware scanners, registry cleaners, and linux doesn't?
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#33
all the complex computer talk is hurting my head : ( , i'll stick to knowing how to upgrade components, lol

to TS, i just recommend a system restore and boot the router if it's a link sys, i've had nothing but problems EVER with them...
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X.org is the graphical layer, and if you don't have an ATi card, it's much more efficient than directX. KDE is pretty damn awesome too. It's got everything you need.


Yea, and it still sucks :p

Care to elaborate? I do have a firewall on my network, that's a must for any OS, but I'm talking about viruses, worms, exploits. But educate me on how to remotely gain root access on a machine that isn't run by a 12-year-old.


Its not that difficult. You mentioned KDE earlier, the first remotely executable bug I found was in a KDE package (libkhtml 4.2.0), it allowed remote code execution, meaning all I had to do to own someone was get them to open an email or website, then I could have a shell. After that, it was just a matter of finding one of the many privilege escalations in most linux installs (x windows is notorious for them), which isn't that hard (the kernel, running processes, some libraries, anything with suid, etc). This case requires a little bit of social engineering, but it wouldn't be that hard. Keep in mind most Linux installs have a lot more '3rd party' (for lack of a better word) software than Windows users do, meaning the code is all over the board.

That is only one example, most of the attacks today are spreading via some user assisted flaw (the .ANI flaw in Windows is the most recent example) and Linux and OS X are no exception. Most people are behind firewalls or NAT devices these days, making it difficult to exploit processes that have listening sockets, so the clients (browsers in particular) become the target. All you have to do is visit a site with an iframe, ad, or link that has something nasty in it and its a done deal. It doesn't mean its not possible to exploit bugs that require no 'user assistance (e.g. visiting a malicious or compromised web page)', but its more difficult in this era with workstations, but that is true of all operating systems. I personally don't use Linux or Windows for anything that isn't behind a NAT device and firewall and thats just because workstations are better off being as isolated as possible, but if I had to choose, I'd have a Windows box over a Linux box any day.

We've run across a new malware propagation framework recently at work called MPack, which is a web application that identifies various browsers and operating systems, then sends exploit payloads appropriate for that browser/OS combination. Most of the bugs in the version we've seen have been patched for some time and AFAIK right now none of them exploit Linux or OS X, but that version is over 9 months old and we don't have a more recent sample. The application identifies FreeBSD, Linux, all breeds of Windows, and OS X and Konqueror, Firefox, Opera, and IE (I'm sure Safari now as well), the fact that the application is designed to identify those operating systems means that the developers of the framework intend on adding exploit modules for those operating systems and browsers in the near future (if they haven't already). The concept is that after a site has been compromised, you silently upload the application or modify the page with an iframe or reference to the app, then visitors to the page are compromised. Not that revolutionary or difficult, but it means that the lala-land that Linux and Mac users have been living in over the past few years is going to be over. We've already seen this on over 10,000 websites and that number is growing.


Once again, care to elaborate? This is why windows users need adblocks, virus shields, spyware scanners, registry cleaners, and linux doesn't?


You really don't need all of that, I don't know why people run all that crap. Running too much software can be a significant cause of security problems, one of the most active worms on the net right now is spreading via a several month old bug in a Symantec product (called "big yellow")

You need a firewall, a good antivirus, and some common sense. 98% of the worms and virii we see spreading are spreading via a flaw that has been patched for at least a month or two, if people took the time to update, then they wouldn't have a malware problem. Right now Linux and OS X users have some room to be ignorant about this, but those platforms are being targeted more and more these days by malware.

Most Linux and OS X users wouldn't recognize a problem unless a little pop up box comes up and says "You've been owned". Very few run an IDS or AV, which means you could have been compromised and you'd never even know about it.

I mentioned that exploits are easier for Linux than Windows earlier and I should elaborate on that a little bit. Since you don't have a programming background, I can't go into too many details, but Vista marks a significant improvement in the security of workstation operating systems especially over OS X and Linux (moreso OS X, which is a joke). Writing exploits involves knowing where certain things are in memory, being able to execute code in certain parts of memory reliably, and executing appropriate code. In Vista and SP2, this is far more difficult than OS X and some Linux distributions, mostly because finding a location in memory that is executable and in the same location is more difficult, however Vista's support is all across the board, where Linux's is shaky. Some distros come with these patches (its not in the kernel natively) and some don't, and their implementation of things like address randomization is weaker than that of Vistas. It is obviously more complex than that, but it could take days to explain how it works and how it fails.
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#35
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You need a firewall, a good antivirus, and some common sense. 98% of the worms and virii we see spreading are spreading via a flaw that has been patched for at least a month or two, if people took the time to update, then they wouldn't have a malware problem. Right now Linux and OS X users have some room to be ignorant about this, but those platforms are being targeted more and more these days by malware.


I agree with you there. I actually used to run XP a few years ago, and I never had any big viruses or malware problems. I ran adaware once a month and it found quite a few data miners, but nothing too serious, and I had McAfee virus shield running all the time. But all my friends had problems with viruses and trojans, runaway processes that were doing seemingly nothing, and just malware in general. I agree that a good user can keep a windows installation clean and running smooth, but those who install linux (specifically Gentoo) gain enough knowledge about their system to know what not to do in order to keep a clean installation.
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Thats not helpful, grow up.


How is suggesting that he install Ubuntu being childish? It works for me
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