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#1
hey i know this should probably go in another forum but seeing as how i only play hardcore to death metal that kinda thing i was wondering whta kind of effects pedal and or amp i should get to get the sound of bands like
August Burns Red
After the Burial
The Faceless

im kinda leaning towards getting a Maxon OD-9 but i dont know about an amp
any replys would be apprieciated
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#3
im not sure exactly what it is, its been awhile. i think its a epiphone sg-100 or 1000 or something
im planning on buying a ESP LTD H-1001 in the next month though

EDIT: actually my guitar i have now is A Epiphone G310, my bad
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Last edited by THEhardcoreSIHT at Jul 5, 2007,
#6
Quote by THEhardcoreSIHT
what the hell does that mean?^


He means the Peavy 5150...it was the earlier version of the 6505...it was originally made for Eddie VanHalen. Definitely a solid choice, and you wouldn't even really need an overdrive pedal. The only complaint that some people have is that the cleans aren't the best, but I think they're fine. I personally have a Peavy XXX 120w, and I love it...more gain than you'll ever need. You could also look into a used Marshall JCM800 or 900. With the right amp, you won't even need an overdrive pedal (even though the Maxon is a GREAT pedal)
Last edited by prisonofreason at Jul 6, 2007,
#7
one more thing ive never owned a pedal so what i dont know is on musicians friend.com theyve got the overdrive pedal aswell as two other ones pictured, so do i need all of themm or just the overdrive?
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#8
Vader Cabs.
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They're not talking about hardcore punk, they're talking about "hardcore." It has little in common with its roots in the '80s.

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#9
as far as pedals go could you guys recommend some good death metaly ones from
Boss
Line 6
Zoom?(ive never even heard of it)

thats all my local store carrys
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#10
For really heavy stuff, if you can't pick up a really high-gain amp, try and find an Electro-Harmonix Metal Muff.
#11
Quote by prisonofreason
He means the Peavy 5150...it was the earlier version of the 6505...it was originally made for Eddie Vedder.


Nobody else noticed this? are you serious?

hahah I hope that was a joke.

The 5150 is what i would get if I could afford one.
Rig:
Schecter Hellraiser FR
Peavey 6505 Head
Vader 4x12
BBE 482

DOD EQ
Boss NS-2
#12
Quote by prisonofreason
He means the Peavy 5150...it was the earlier version of the 6505...it was originally made for Eddie Vedder. Definitely a solid choice, and you wouldn't even really need an overdrive pedal. The only complaint that some people have is that the cleans aren't the best, but I think they're fine. I personally have a Peavy XXX 120w, and I love it...more gain than you'll ever need. You could also look into a used Marshall JCM800 or 900. With the right amp, you won't even need an overdrive pedal (even though the Maxon is a GREAT pedal)


The guy from pearl jam, I don't think so. Eddie Van Halen dude

those are solid amps, if you do go with the H-1001 definitely get the EMGs
Vader Cabs are good from what i hear. Mesa heads are good, but pricey
#13
VHT pitbull 100 run in conjunction with a ENGL powerball with a ton of rackmount gear run thru two Hughes and Kettner cabinets.
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#14
those are solid amps, if you do go with the H-1001 definitely get the EMGs
Vader Cabs are good from what i hear. Mesa heads are good, but pricey

well i was actually gonna get the one with seymour duncans, why are emgs better?
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#16
The Peavey 5150 was an EVH signiature. It had NO clean channel, let alone a poor clean channel. It's just all distortion.
Anyway, when EVH left Peavey, he took the copyright with him as it was his design. Peavey re-released it as the 6505, which is the same thing but with a clean channel.

EVH has now taken his design to Jackson, and I think he has or is going to release it with Jackson (licensed by Fender) as his sig amp again.


I'd say buy a Randall MTS, most likely. There's interchangeable modules that can find the right sound you want.
#17
Quote by Gymmeh
The Peavey 5150 was an EVH signiature. It had NO clean channel, let alone a poor clean channel. It's just all distortion.
Anyway, when EVH left Peavey, he took the copyright with him as it was his design. Peavey re-released it as the 6505, which is the same thing but with a clean channel.




No...the 5150 definitely had clean capabilities, but it just didn't sound very bright. I've played it before.

And forget about the Vedder claim...it was early and I was VERY hung over. You all knew what I meant. ENGL powerballs are really expensive but worth every penny. Seriously though, the XXX is were its at...I love it. Save up, and get a good amp and then worry about effects pedals.
#18
dude, if youre going to buy a halfstack just go and buy a mesa. the dual rectifier is the best amp ive ever played. hands down. it is well worth the price. and nice choice with the ltd. ive had the ec-1000 for about a year now. theyre great.
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Then we'd bro-rape you.

#19
I have an H 1001 (w/ duncans), its pretty good. It doesnt have as much distortion as a guitar with EMG's though.
#20
i think i would get the emgs but, i really like the amber cherry sunburst finish, and already have a black guitar, if the one with emgs came in that color i would get it? is there any way i can get it in that color
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#21
Quote by LPIndin
dude, if youre going to buy a halfstack just go and buy a mesa. the dual rectifier is the best amp ive ever played. hands down. it is well worth the price. and nice choice with the ltd. ive had the ec-1000 for about a year now. theyre great.


i tried the single and dual, found the single to be much more approriate and easier to handle.
#22
I play a dual recto and love it. Amazing distortion, and for a hi-gain head an amazing clean channel as well. I prefer really hot passive pickups to actives like EMGs. My Seymour Duncan Invader gets just a hot as an EMG but with better dynamics. 5150's are nice too, but clean does suck ball. If you aren't going to be doing much jazz or anything you can just roll the volume of the guitar down to get a decent clean tone every now and then.
#23
passive passive passive passive. they just feel more dynamic and alive. any extra "edge" or whatever that actives give you can be eq'd into the amp IMO. you cant add the dynamics of a passive pickup into the signal of an active circuit.

the right passives are hot as hell anyway. just m y $0.02

I used to have a engl e530 preamp and i miss it bad, it was an amazing piece of ass ( and by ass i mean gear).

the mark iv is an underestimated beast - so many tones on tap if you knew how to tweak it. basic gear mistake i ever made was selling that little ****er. 1x12 rocked like nothing else.

my mesa 2x12 rectifier was my favorite cab to date, just sounded great. better than the average 4x12 side by side. a buddy had an orange 2x12 + 2x12 full stack that sounded amazing too.

laney vh100r is another solid as hell amp head - i regret selling that one too. laney amps have a good rep, with the right touch youll find some sick tones.

i like 5150's, i think im gonna get on enext - just because its so cheap. Id like to try a dual recto as well.

if you get any "hi gain" head, dont get emgs - actually....just dont get them. if your passives are SOMEHOW not hot enough for you - youll be better off with a boost. just my input....good luck.


whats the budget anyway???
#24
All I can say regarding EMGs, is it turned my sound on my ****ty 2x12 SS crate golden in comparison to the stock passives

It is all preference, because 'good sound' is completely subjective
#25
Quote by Job 4 a Cowboy
All I can say regarding EMGs, is it turned my sound on my ****ty 2x12 SS crate golden in comparison to the stock passives

It is all preference, because 'good sound' is completely subjective



keep in mind that most guitars come with horrible stock passive pickups. slapping in a set of high end gibsons or dimarzios and even seymour duncans is a huge difference over what most guitars come with.

I put gibsons in one of my schecters - that thing was a monster....i was stupid for selling it....stupid ebay raped me on that one too.


again - not to say that EMG/active pickups dont occasionally have their place and get the job done great. My impression of them is however that you tend to lose characteristics of the guitar found in the tone wood and you tend to lose some of the amp dynamics.

but...when youre cranking in a band setting - youd probably never notice haha. being a bedroom player like myself - youll probably notice it alot more.

hope my rambling helps. try them both out i guess? a/b if possible.
#26
I'd definatly get a peavey 5150
you can get a good sound for hardcore/death metal

Check the band, i killed the prom queen, they use 5150.
so youll probably be able to get a tone like theirs or better.
#28
Guitar Center/Most major music stores/Ebay/Duh...
Quote by werty22
They're not talking about hardcore punk, they're talking about "hardcore." It has little in common with its roots in the '80s.

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#29
dont know if theres a guitar centre in my city? guitarworks sucks alot of **** though so they probably dont have one, hopefully axe music sells them

whta do they usually go for?
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#31
Quote by THEhardcoreSIHT
where can i get a 5150?



Ebay/Craig's List is probably the best place to find them for a decent price. Call around your local music stores to see if you can find a 6505 (same amp, new verwsion) so you can play it first...I doubt you'll find a music store that has a 5150.
#33
Quote by THEhardcoreSIHT
oh that sucks after you guys pumped me up like that^

What do you mean?
The 6505 is the exact same amp, no difference at all. Eddie Van Halen owns the rights to the 5150 name though, so when he left Peavey, they had to call it something else.
#34
oh i see now, well i looked it up and thats an expensive ass amp for me, especially cause you have to buy the head and cabinet separetly
got any suggestions around the 300-700 dollar range?
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#35
I have a line 6 spider II 112 combo, and I'm very happy with it. Most people will tell you that the tone sucks, but I have fabulous tone on mine, you just need to tweak it enough. Its blown some stacks away.
Quote by werty22
They're not talking about hardcore punk, they're talking about "hardcore." It has little in common with its roots in the '80s.

Quote by recklessnick
when i ask questions. people reply with a stupid green smiley face sign

Heres lookin to you
#36
Quote by guitarwannabe16
I have a line 6 spider II 112 combo, and I'm very happy with it. Most people will tell you that the tone sucks, but I have fabulous tone on mine, you just need to tweak it enough. Its blown some stacks away.


lol nah just wait till you actually have an ear for tone, then you'll hear how crappy it really sounds
#37
You might be able to pick up an old (90's) Marshall for $700 or so. Marshall may not be the sound you're going for, but try out a JCM900.
#39
Quote by THEhardcoreSIHT
oh i see now, well i looked it up and thats an expensive ass amp for me, especially cause you have to buy the head and cabinet separetly
got any suggestions around the 300-700 dollar range?



On ebay you can get the combo for about 500-800 dollars. And trust me, the combo is going to be really loud. So don't worry about just getting a halfstack.
#40
i used to play a crate blue voodoo....you can get the half stack on ebay for around 500, also, my roommate bought a 5150 on ebay, half stack, for 800. and as far as pickups, i like seymour duncans active pups better than emgs or duncan passives. i have tried them all, and i feel like the duncan actives give you that active pickup punch, but they retain that organic feel, tone, dynamics, all that. i think they are great. emgs have a kind of cold, dead tone to me. if you want an amp thats way out of that price range but sounds really great, consider an engl....amazing tone. personally, im in the process of getting a peavey jsx, and i play death metal. just some things to look at. i recommend mostly trying things. you might be surprised at what you like and what other people tell you to buy.
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