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Spazz128735
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First one of the guitarists plays a riff they wrote.
Then they teach the other guitarist it, or the leads they have in mind
They decide what instrument they need to play.
Them and the drummer start jamming
I, the singer, run out into the garage from wolfing down excedrin and start applying lyrics I've written onto it
We develop song structure based on the lyrics.
If more parts need to be written, we do it.
If a few notes need to be changed, added, flourishes inserted, it's done now
rehearse.
get tones, fx, and reverb perfected
rehearse.
perform.

how do you guys typically do it?
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#3
Stupid Spazz, I'm not giving away my secrets!

But if I was I'd say one person walks in with the song 'done', (i.e. tempo, riffs, arrangement for all instruments) then everyone adds/ makes changes to it. Lyrics usually come very last.

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Stupid Spazz, I'm not giving away my secrets!

But if I was I'd say one person walks in with the song 'done', (i.e. tempo, riffs, arrangement for all instruments) then everyone adds/ makes changes to it. Lyrics usually come very last.



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#5
i start playing a riff, then i either turn to my drummer or phone him and say i'm sending you a bass and guitar part write lyrics and drums to it. voila we're done
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#6
I do it all myself. I just end up playing something cool and I'll run with it and turn it in to a song, which I'll record myself then demo to the band.
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#7
I write the lyrics. Give them to my singer, he edits them. My guitarist writes something and it all clicks from there.
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I usually write a guitar riff first, then add some bass, then drums. I then look at my lyric ideas, find something fitting, and write lyrics for it. I can't seem to manage to write music to pre-writen lyrics for some reason though :[.
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I hear something in my head, a riff, a bassline, drum beat, or some lyrics. Then i write it down and build from there.
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#10
Sometimes I compose a whole song on my own, take it to rehearsal and my bandmates say if they like it or if anything should be changed.

But mostly we just jam on a riff or a chord progression and then form the jam session into a song.
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#11
Well, me and the bassist oth have a ton of lyrics we allready have. So when we jam I start playen some random chord progression and the drummer and bassist both write there parts to it then we stck some lyrics to it and tweak the rest, it seems to be pretty efficient. We get one or two decent songs done everytime we jam
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#12
The drummer and the other guitarist take care of all the really simple riffs that you can show to your bandmates and they will pick them up. I write the more complex riffs that need a bit of time to perfect and I tab them. I write all lyrics.
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#13
rythym guitarist comes in with new riff and or progression
drummer starts drumming
i hum a melody, play it , reach into my book of lyrics i've stored away and pull something out
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Lets see get a basic riff/ chord progression, get some rythmn guitar going, drop in drums then a bassline and jam on it. then add other parts later, get the tones set and fx and theres a song
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#16
I come up with a riff while messing around. Figure out the entire song on guitar pro with harmonies and rhythm. Send it to the rest of the band and everyone makes a few small changes here and there.
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#17
It all starts with an idea or a riff for me. I'll lay down the basic track. Then I'll start layering tracks, panning stuff like crazy. Then Tom comes in and lays down some drums.
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#18
The guitarist, The drummer and myself just jam then the singers hums a melody. If we have somthing we like we write down the notes and try to rememeber the rest. Then the singer add some lyrics..

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I usually write an acoustic version of the song first, so basicly just he chord progression and the lyrics. Record. Try to put in some riffs here and there, work out the general flow of the song. Record. Bring all of that to a gig, let the guys listen to it, suggest changes, come up with more riffs/bass lines/drum parts. Practice/record, and we're set.
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My song ideas usually come from messing aroudn with the guitar, I sit, noodle for a while and this cool riff comes out of nowhere And it's also cool, that usually that one riff is a driving force, inspiration to the whole rest. Often this situation is inspired by some outside impulse, like move watched, something read, etc. Then I punch it into Guitar Pro, make all the arrangements, harmonies, rhytm tracks, basslines, etc. and send it to my bandmates. They tell me what they think, suggest changes and learn the track to be able to play it at rehearsals. Then I attempt writinig the lyrics.

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#21
We usually jam on an already written song and then just see if something good comes out of it.
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#22
thanks guys.

i have got a band (we dont have a singer) and we've been wondering what the first step is in making a song. this thread has helped us heaps

thx again guys
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#23
all you have to do is write one song then play every other song in a different key

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I usually get lyrics then think of a chord progression or a punk style of it then write more metal/rockish riffs over it then take out the rhythm.
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#24
I can't write by my self. mainly cause I'm hard on my self.
but I'll think up a Riff, lick, chord progression, or even a lyric
the odd time a drum beat or bass line.
from there I show band mates and they state if they like it or not
if they do then add to it. in tell presto a original song
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#25
WOW i never thought i wud get this much response thanx so much to all u people
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#26
I don't have a band.

I jam with myself, play random stuff, come up with riffs, solos, leads, etc, and if I come up with something cool I tab it out. When I tab it out, I usually work out drums aswell.

When I write lyrics, I usually have a style of vocals in mind for each part I write, and if it's melodic, a tune for them to follow. When the lyrics are nearly done I've usually worked out the feel for the song, and found a riff or something that I've already written that could fit. Sometimes in parts of songs I can just hear a riff in my head that will work well under it.

I'll also usually have an idea of where the solo will fit in, and what sort of solo it will be from the feel of the song.

Then, I start piecing all the little bits together, and I keep playing the song over any over and adding or getting rid of some parts, and eventually it'll be good enough for me to say it's finished.
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#27
Usually I listen to a lot of my favorite music and then try to write a riff, or something will just suddenley come to me and I'll write a whole song in 15 minutes, or it can take days. After it's all done, I teach it to the other guitarist in my band, then the bassist (he takes a long ass time to learn) and the drummer usually comes up with a beat after hearing us play the song.
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#28
I write down lyrics. Look in my notebook for bass lines and drum beats I've written down.
Chose a drum line. Show the vocals the lyrics, she'll sing them her way. I'll chose the best bass line.

We still need a guitarist lol.
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#29
I use two methods.
The first one:
I take a minor scale, look up the intervals, and fiddle a little with riffing. If the day is good, i get a cool sounding riff, if the day is bad i have nothing, and say "Screw this". When i get the riff, i tab it in GP, and try to figure out a chorus riff, intro etc. Maybe add a solo. Then i just tab the second guitar, bass, drums, and send it to my bandmates.

The second one:
I write the lyrics. I try to sing them and find a melody. Based on that melody i make a riff for all the vocal parts (as usual, with a scale). Then add some bridges, intro, outro, tab it, send it, done.

But in the end, im a crappy composer :P
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Generally, I start off writing some lyrics. I'll give the lyrics to my drummer, he'll make some suggestions, give them back, and I'll edit them some more. Once the lyrics are good, I work out a chord progression, and he comes up with a drum beat. Then we reveal it to our bassist, and he comes up with a bassline for it. And voila. A song is born
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#32
wow. I'm getting a lot more varied responses than I expected. three cheers for diversity!

whoever told me they weren't gonna share their secrets... . My band already has good stuff going, I was just wondering how other people did it.

a few of you have said you use Guitar Pro to map everything out. I'm assuming that would make it easier if one person was writing it all, but I doubt it would work in a group with spread creative control. And I just picture that cheapening the process. I'm probably just old fashioned though.

Thoughts?

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#33
Usually, we have some issue we're either pissed off about or we have something we need to voice. Our vocalist and guitar player are the first to write lyrics for this, and I think of a certain mood that the music could emulate to get these lyrics across to a listener. A few riffs are written, and then soon they are scrapped because we think they suck. After about 20 minutes of dealing with a case of musical brain-freeze, I call for a smoke break. We sit in our guitar players backyard and smoke a Camel Wide or two, and then music and changes to the lyrics just hits us. We go in to play out our newfound idea, and we usually stick with it. So, nicotine ingestion accounts for about 85% of our original songs.

Sadly, I wish I was lying about this.

Oh, and when we want to cover a song but add our own touch to it, we don't smoke as much. Probably because the music is already written and I just change a drumbeat around in most cases.
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#34
i start with developing a good chord progression, then I improvise vocals with the lyrics I wrote..

For my way of writing songs, I always turn the recorder on because sometimes I forget stuff.
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#35
The lyrics have always come last for me...nothing is more frustrating than having to change your lyrics because they dont fit a riff...I just find it easier to write words around a song anyways.
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#36
You just need to start writing, I have no definitive way which I write. Sometimes I start with writing lyrics, sometimes I write a guitar riff, sometimes I have the chords, sometimes its just a vocal melody. And I just work my way around whatever I had and build up into a song.

My advice is just take your time, and if something doesn't work it doesn't work. Just do your best to have something that really flows that you can emotionally connect to. Focus a lot more on the message/feeling/energy/emotion of the song as a whole, as opposed to think about guitar. Thats how I seem to approach song writing.
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#37
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thanks guys.

i have got a band (we dont have a singer) and we've been wondering what the first step is in making a song. this thread has helped us heaps

thx again guys


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#38
I come up with a tune
I come up with lyrics to fit the tune/mood
I invite the drummer over to my house to work on it.

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#39
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Well, me and the bassist oth have a ton of lyrics we allready have. So when we jam I start playen some random chord progression and the drummer and bassist both write there parts to it then we stck some lyrics to it and tweak the rest, it seems to be pretty efficient. We get one or two decent songs done everytime we jam


You write two songs everytime you guys jam...these better be about 24 hour jam sessions or something...cause one day is not enough for a song, if you think it is...well, I'd like to hear how that turns out.

I'm trying to help I guess, think about what you guys could do if you got the basics to a song then for the next few practices you just worked out this one song and made it the best it could be, not just "decent", me and my drummer agonize over songs for about a month before we will call it good to record or show other people.

So maybe just try this and I guarentee the quality of songs will increase.

As for my writing...I have the benefit of having a drummer who plays guitar as well..I WIN!
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#40
I come up with something...I write a lot of the song first. If it sounds happy or cool, I write lyrics that are happy or cool. If the song sounds sad, I write sad lyrics. If it sounds scary or something, I write about a scary or menacing topic.