#1
I'm very interested in the Agile 2800 Silverburst . It looks similar to the Gibson Adam Jones plays, which is why I prefer the 2800 over the higher end Agiles.

My biggest concern is the quality of a 2800 series compared to the 3000 or 4000 series.

Money isn't an issue, I'm going for a good guitar.

Would you buy a 2800 series, which is lower end, swap out pickups, and install a kahler?

Or

Buy a higher end model, repaint it to silverburst, keep the pickups, then install a kahler?
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#2
honestly, im all about buying lower-end guitars, because i can usually make them sound and play great. thats just me though. im not to sure about those guitars and quality, but they sell those at my local music shop and they dont play to bad, im not sure what series i played but they had that color there. it played okay, its not awesome instrument but it could be
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#4
Unless you live in Union NJ and were at Rondo Music, no store sells Agile guitars.

I personally wouldn't buy an Agile under a 3000 series. I tend to go for the better quality models that have more of a Les Paul construction in terms of materials. I like Les Pauls for the sound, not the look. And the maple necks on the 2x00 models just don't appeal to me. However, I still think that with a few upgrades, they can be made into awesome guitars.
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#5
Quote by crust_punk
If money isn't an issue, why not get a Gibson? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Custom-Shop-Limited-Edition-Les-Paul-Custom-Electric-Guitar?sku=511976

The Agile is a good guitar, though.


When I say money isn't an issue, I mean within like $1,000. Otherwise I'd just buy the Gibson and forget the Agile.
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#6
Quote by Crunchmeister
Unless you live in Union NJ and were at Rondo Music, no store sells Agile guitars.

I personally wouldn't buy an Agile under a 3000 series. I tend to go for the better quality models that have more of a Les Paul construction in terms of materials. I like Les Pauls for the sound, not the look. And the maple necks on the 2x00 models just don't appeal to me. However, I still think that with a few upgrades, they can be made into awesome guitars.



Sound and playability are my highest concerns. I just want it to be a silverburst as well.
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#7
Epiphone make a silverburst LP Custom you might want to look into. That would fit your budget. You'd get a good guitar in the color you wanted.

But again, I wouldn't. While they're good guitars that sound great and play well, I can't get the sound I want with all that alder in the body of an Epiphone.
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#8
you know maybe you are right, maybe it wasnt an agile, i need to check to see what brand that was though. it was an agile-type brand though, makes copies of all the popular guitars that are half-way decent instruments. now im curious, haha.
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#9
Quote by MESAexplorer
When I say money isn't an issue, I mean within like $1,000. Otherwise I'd just buy the Gibson and forget the Agile.

Then it is an issue...

The Agile isn't a bad guitar by any means, but you're limiting yourself so much because of the color. I mean, you have $1,000 you can spend, and you're choosing a relatively low Agile model...?
#11
Quote by Crunchmeister
Epiphone make a silverburst LP Custom you might want to look into. That would fit your budget. You'd get a good guitar in the color you wanted.

But again, I wouldn't. While they're good guitars that sound great and play well, I can't get the sound I want with all that alder in the body of an Epiphone.



You have experience with both Gibson and Agile, which is making your credibility 1000%.

I really don't want an Epiphone. Unless it were an Elitist, but those are about $1,000, then to install a kahler...

After listening to your advice, I'm probably going to go with this guitar HOt PORNO SEXYTIME and do a silverburst finish myself.
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#12
I'd just get the new 4000, and maybe change the pickups, because the combo they put in there is a bit odd (Jazz in the neck, '59 in the bridge).
#13
Quote by crust_punk
Then it is an issue...

The Agile isn't a bad guitar by any means, but you're limiting yourself so much because of the color. I mean, you have $1,000 you can spend, and you're choosing a relatively low Agile model...?



Well, I have currently $1,000 in the bank, just bought a Legacy 2x12, I'll probably have about $1,500 next week.

I chose the agile model because it is in a silverburst finish, which is what I want. I'm willing to choose a higher end model and paint it myself, but I was wondering if it's worth the trouble to go through all that or just go with the cheap model and change out the hardware.
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#14
Quote by Whole Lotta Led
You could try the Epi Silverburst Custom. Has an alder top instead of maple... the body is still solid mahogany which is more important IMO.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epiphone-Limited-Edition-Les-Paul-Custom?sku=519391


That description on the MF site is misleading. It's not a solid mahogany body with alder top. The body is a multi-ply alder / mahogany sandwich, with about 80% of the mass of the body beign alder.
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#15
Quote by Crunchmeister
That description on the MF site is misleading. It's not a solid mahogany body with alder top. The body is a multi-ply alder / mahogany sandwich, with about 80% of the mass of the body beign alder.

Indeed. Don't go for the Epi if you're looking for the true LP sound.

I say, get a higher-end Agile.
.. and don't paint it.
#16
Quote by crust_punk
Indeed. Don't go for the Epi if you're looking for the true LP sound.

I say, get a higher-end Agile.
.. and don't paint it.


...but I want to paint it...or have it already painted...
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#17
Good choice on the AL3000MAP. 2-piece, center-joined mahogany body with 3/4" maple cap with mahogany neck is about as close as you'll get to a real Les Paul in terms of contruction. Should give you a pretty decent Les Paul tone too. I personally wouldn't paint it either, but hey, it's your guitar, so all the power to ya.
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#18
I love my Agile AL3100, i felt guilty for spending only $400 on that PLUS a hard case, it was an absolute steal. It's amazing quality, both looks and feels excellent, very solid and heavy. Loks stunning, sounds great. No reason to spend $1000 more on a gibson other than for the name

Don't go lower than a 3000 though
#19
Quote by Crunchmeister
That description on the MF site is misleading. It's not a solid mahogany body with alder top. The body is a multi-ply alder / mahogany sandwich, with about 80% of the mass of the body beign alder.


Just curious where people get the alder / mahogany "sandwich" from. How do you know they are built like that?

The Customs I've played definitely had a solid mahogany body.. had the weight and the tone you'd expect from something with a mahogany body. My standard has the mahogany/alder body and compared to the custom they sound completely different.
#21
Quote by Guitarzan1143
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Lotus-Les-Paul-Grey-Burst_W0QQitemZ230148726700QQihZ013QQcategoryZ2384QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Bro thats perfect for you it seems, your looking to kinda customize it, that needs work and its dirt cheap. finish you want as well.



I'd rather go with an Agile. The only customization I'm willing to do is paintjob, kahler, sperzal tuners, maybe new knobs (the one on Crunchmeisters Gibson was excellente), and new pickups (if needed)
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#23
Quote by Whole Lotta Led
Just curious where people get the alder / mahogany "sandwich" from. How do you know they are built like that?

The Customs I've played definitely had a solid mahogany body.. had the weight and the tone you'd expect from something with a mahogany body. My standard has the mahogany/alder body and compared to the custom they sound completely different.


I had a friend who had his Epiphone LP in the trunk of his car without a case. He got in a car accident that totalled the car and the guitar. The body of the guitar got busted and essentially split in 2, almost down the middle. You could easily see the layers in the wood. It had about a 1/2" layer of mahogany that was the back of the guitar, a thick chunk of alder that was the 'core' of the body, another thin piece of mahogany, that was the base of the cap, and an alder carved top.

Take a look at the Epiphone site. It lists the body and top as being mahogany / alder.
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#24
Quote by Crunchmeister
I had a friend who had his Epiphone LP in the trunk of his car without a case. He got in a car accident that totalled the car and the guitar. The body of the guitar got busted and essentially split in 2, almost down the middle. You could easily see the layers in the wood. It had about a 1/2" layer of mahogany that was the back of the guitar, a thick chunk of alder that was the 'core' of the body, another thin piece of mahogany, that was the base of the cap, and an alder carved top.

Take a look at the Epiphone site. It lists the body and top as being mahogany / alder.



That sucks for your freind.

Did you talk him into an agile?
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