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#1
not trying to see which company is better, just which amp of the two is better. the Peavey ValveKing 212 Combo Amp or the Vox Custom Classic AC30CC2 30w 2x12 Tube Guitar Combo Amp. I will be using it for band practice and small gigs. I play lead guitar for a punk rock/pop punk band.
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#2
I'd probably go with the Vox with an overdrive pedal. I'm in a metalcore band and I'm going to buy a Valveking head because I really like it, but for pop punk you're going to want good cleans and the Vox will definitely have way better.
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#3
They are both very different amps.

The valveking is modern voiced and uses 6L6 power tubes in A/B configurable to A using the texture control. The Vox is a vintage voiced amp that uses EL84 power valves in class A.

Try them both out and see what you like. Crank them both if you can in the shop - ask for an attenuator if they won't let you have a lot of volume. At a guitar show I saw an AC15 with a top boost pedal produce some very nice tones, the AC30 has the top boost channel usually so it shouldn't be needed.

To be honest, I think you will be better with something a bit more marshall-esque. Any of the modern all-valve marshalls (similar price range is a DSL-401), or if you can get one second hand - a jcm900 or jcm800 combo. So try these as well, in terms of sound they lie somewhere between the valveking and the vox.
#4
The Vox is a little more classic-voiced and the Peavey is more of a modern voice. The Peavey is more versatile (check the features) and has a little more power but not that much more. The reliability of the Vox is slightly higher. Both are good amps. Naturally I prefer Peavey since I have the 112 combo. I play blues and classic rock since 1969.
#5
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The Vox is a little more classic-voiced and the Peavey is more of a modern voice. The Peavey is more versatile (check the features) and has a little more power but not that much more. The reliability of the Vox is slightly higher. Both are good amps. Naturally I prefer Peavey since I have the 112 combo. I play blues and classic rock since 1969.


Although I don't disagree that the Peavey is more versatile, I view the texture control thing as just a marketing scheme.
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#7
how about in volume wise? how much more volume does the peavey have? is it really 70 watts more, or is there some kind of trick to it..??
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#8
Volume wise you WILL not need more than 30 watts valve anyway. If you do then you will get miced.
+ The audiable difference between 30 & 100 watts isn't actually that much.
#9
I'm sure its louder but I doubt it sounds better louder (I'd think that it would lose bottom end tightness). Adding more watts is another way to make a lower end amp seem "more for your money." And technically you do, but really you don't need 120 watts (plus like I said, it might not sound better louder - I mean you want to crank the tubes, but a lower end amp just might not handle high volumes well). I have a solid state amp thats 100 watts and I never play it past 2 on the overdrive 2 channel, and I'm in a gigging metalcore band. It is a Fender, and Fenders tend to be loud at 2 or so, but still. Most bands play too loud anyways. Unless you're going through a nice big PA, that is.

The Vox is loud enough for you.
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#10
^ particularly if you plan to crank them - and who would buy a valve amp if they didn't want to.

volume wise there isn't much difference, probably 4dB, but what does make a difference is if you plan to use an attenuator. If you have something lower powered then you can buy a lower rated attenuator which is cheaper - amps put out about 1.5 times more when dimed so it's best to buy something rated more to be safe. Also El84's are cheaper than 6L6's to replace...
#11
how long do you think, before I have to replace the tubes? I would probably play about 2 times a week, maybe 6 hours at the most per week...should I buy extra tubes if and when I buy it??
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#13
besides the internet, where else could I buy tubes?
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#14
Yeah, having to change tubes once a year requires regular playing really, you would probably get 2 years. However if you use an attenuator, or play it cranked regularly then life will diminish, but that's the price for good tone...
#15
A good guitar/amp shop will usually stock some.

But the webs the best place for choice though, valves are specialist products that only guitarists, audiophiles and radio enthusiasts use, so there aren't specialist shops - you don't go window shopping for them...
#16
If you crank them both you won't see much difference. To me the texture control of the VK has a lot of effect. Turned all the way over to faux class A it allows better distortion at more moderate levels. The class A setting does as advertised, i.e. mimics the "sag" and "texture" of the small class A combos. It makes more difference when you crank it loud on class A then it really shines. Of course for the music I play I prefer the tone of the VK. Certainly doesn't mean the Vox doesn't sound good. We all tend to get our egos caught up in what kind of equipment we use ("we are our gear.") I got past that a long time ago. I do want guitar players to get the right kind of equipment for the right price and get the sound they are looking for as most of us are not rich. We are not going to all agree what is the best stuff since we all play differently and have different goals. Whenever I see reasonable people disagree in a civil manner it gives me more hope for humanity. Pardon my philosophising, after all I am an Old Hippie. Peace.
PS Don't I type some miserably run-on sentences? Practice makes perfect.
#17
what do you guys think is the lowest price I would be able to get it for at a guitar center?? (I have seen many people saying that they never buy at regular price...)
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#19
i don't know what the stores are like in the states, but in the UK the major shops (sound control and turnkey) will price match any price in europe - shop or internet. so I suggest you find the best price you can using google, print it off and see if they will match it. Make sure you try the amps out first though.
#20
The more expensive the item the more cash you can save. Knock 10% off immediately, after that its negotiation time. You can probably get at least 12-15 percent off if you have the cash (or credit card) and aren't trying to trade anything in. If they don't give you what you want the first time leave and come back in a few days. Let them know you are serious but not desperate. Another way to get better value is suggest they throw in something to sweeten the deal, amp cover, etc. If you go on slow customer days you are more likely to get a better deal. Go in when the place looks deserted.
#21
will a guitar center store, not on the internet, match a price from the internet?
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#23
so, it looks as though most people would prefer the vox...is it really worth it, for $1000 is now my question. so whenever I get to go to guitarcenter I will try it out. btw, does anyone know what amps switchfoot used to use? it looked like a vox, but I dont know..
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#24
I'd feel a lot better about my purchase spending $1000 on an AC30 than $500 on a Valveking. I can't even imagine seriously comparing these two amps. Like comparing a Porshe to a Hyundai, IMHO.

The AC30 is a notoriously loud 30 (actually 33) watt amp. You won't have any trouble gigging with it.

I suggest you look used if you want to save some cash. eBay has a few of 'em. Here's a link to an AC30CC1 for @ $750 shipped. That's the one I have. Absolutely great amp.
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#25
thats weird, it says 1x12" instead of 2x12"...maybe I saw wrong but the one I checked last had two speakers.
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#26


Yeah, the "CC1" stands for 1x12. Same amp. The speaker in the 1x12 is better than the two speakers in the stock 2x12, IMHO (and more expensive, too). It's also about 15 pounds lighter than the CC2, which ain't a bad thing, either.

That's a nice link. What looks like a brand new amp for $200 off list on the BIN.
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#27
ooooooo!!!! hahahaha. I hadnt seen that...haha!!!
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#28
yeah, I think I am going to stick to buying new, and at the actual store...and I dont have the money yet...
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#29
I actually have compared them very carefully and the Valveking suffers not at all by the comparison. Have you owned a VK or played extensively though it? I see alot of VK users who are satisfied. At least half or more of the players who say they don't like the VK give really vague reasons like "it sucks," or "it doesn't sound good." What I have seen when VK owners post clips is almost unanimous approval, particularly players who hear them on The Gear Page or Harmony Central. Nothing wrong with not liking a particular amp but I give much more weight to the opinion of someone who has had more than a few minutes playing time or whom has carefully and critically A/B'd this amp with others for at least 1 hour. I have A/B'd the Vox and the Vk amoung several others (I have a friend who owns a music store so I have extensive access.)
#30
I realize that you're a big fan of your Valveking. Given your age and years of experience I'm frankly surprised by that. But you seem like a nice guy, and I have no desire to get into any pissing matches with you over something like this. Or with anyone else on this site, for that matter. I've posted on sports and politics boards, I'm done arguing on the internet.

IMHO (and that's all it is), the Valveking is a "you get what you pay for" amp. It's tube power on a budget. I find the amp lacks responsiveness for an all tube design, and find it's tone to be rather stale overall. Meanwhile, I feel the people over at Korg went out of their way to create an outstanding amp with the AC30, which -again, IMHO- sounds like an amp that should cost much more. Both companies cut corners with Chinese production, but the people at Vox tried to make an amp that compares to a boutique amp tone-wise, while the Peavey folks were strictly going for cheap. In this sense, I feel both companies succeeded in doing what they intended.
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#31
I find myself agreeing with you most of the time. No pissing match. Please don't mistake my like of the VK for a sales pitch. When players get on here to get advice and have a low budget I chime in. For players that can spend more I usually keep quiet. I think we both want younger or poor players to get what they need. I think you know what you are talking about and I mean no disrespect at all. As for the Chinese I think they may have surprised us both. They sure can make decent musical instruments when they try, although they do make some real crap also. Just have to be careful.
#32
I am thinking of getting the vox ac 30 or 15, whenever I go to a music store I will try out as many amps...but is the difference between the ac15 and 30 worth the difference of money?
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#33
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I am thinking of getting the vox ac 30 or 15, whenever I go to a music store I will try out as many amps...but is the difference between the ac15 and 30 worth the difference of money?


The obvious difference is that the 30's twice the wattage. It's also tube rectified, whereas the 15 has a SS rectifier. I don't know if that's the reason, but the 15 and 30 are definitely two different amps. I think the 30's worth the price. If I was looking for something like the AC15, I'd probably go with something like the Ampeg J12T, instead. It's $100 cheaper, but sounds like it oughta cost more, IMHO. Or maybe save a lot more and go with a Fender Pro Jr. That'd make a great little pop-punk amp.
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#34
I may be wrong, but I don't think the AC15 has the top boost channel.
#35
^ Actually, that's all it has.



As opposed to the AC30, which has a "Normal" channel, too, that can be blended with the Top Boost.
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#36
i have the Valveking and i love it. but if you have the money to spend get the amp that sounds better to you and dont worry about the price. try em til you get kicked out.
#37
for $1000, is it the best amp?? I mean, at around the same price range, is there anything that is better, or is the ac 30 the best in that price range?
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#38
It's a great amp for it's price. Like I said above, they tried to cut some corners by shopping it out to China, and the result is the highest quality amp they could put together and offer at that price.

That said, $1000 is a nice budget and it's really up to you to try as many amps as you can to see what you like best. The Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb or Vibrolux are great amps at that number, or maybe the Rivera Pubster/Clubster. The Kustom Coupes look really cool. You gotta decide.
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#39
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for $1000, is it the best amp?? I mean, at around the same price range, is there anything that is better, or is the ac 30 the best in that price range?


Well like I mentioned, for pop punk you're gonna want good cleans, although you do need distortion obviously. I would say Orange but I think they're way over your price range. I think the Vox would be a good choice. You just need to get the right pedal to give you some good overdrive.
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#40
I forgot to mention, oops, that I would like some oldish switchfoot style rock, for my own use. as for the band use, it would be maynly punk styles like mxpx, except with more leads...
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