#1
I want to play some Meshuggah songs that are tuned in Eb, but a full octave lower.

What gauge of strings should I put on my guitar? (I will order a custom set of strings)
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#2
the biggest set of strings you can get for a 7 string and throw away the first string

you'll probably have to widen the slots in the nut
#3
You mean like a bass?
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#5
It can't be done unless you use an ocatve pedal I don't think.

The strings, no matter what guage, will be floppy as hell.
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#6
it's not big enough.. I already tried =/

actually I have a 7-string set without the high string (so it's 13 to 58), but I can't really go lower than F.. even in F it's really really sloppy..

maybe 14 to 64 or 70?

the only problem I can see is that my guitar is a Les Paul, so it has a 24.75" scale, maybe I can put those on my Strat, which is 25.5" scale.

what do you think?
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#7
13s really can't go much lower than Bb standard, dude. If I were you, I'd look at strings for a baritone guitar. I don't know how well that will work, never tried it, but I've seen gauges like .016-.070 which is probably what you would need. If you do it then message me later and tell me how it works out, I'm interested to know.
#8
go for an octave pedal, like the boss OC-3 and just mute the volume of the original note
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#9
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13s really can't go much lower than Bb standard, dude. If I were you, I'd look at strings for a baritone guitar. I don't know how well that will work, never tried it, but I've seen gauges like .016-.070 which is probably what you would need. If you do it then message me later and tell me how it works out, I'm interested to know.



Which compagny make those 016-070 strings?
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#11
Octave Pedal. Or get a bass.
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#12
New ibby 8 string?
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#13
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D'Addario does, I bet others do too. http://www.juststrings.com/daddariobaritoneguitar.html. That could get you started. Keep in mind that most baritone guitars are slightly longer scale, so I'd go for the 16s over the 15s. Again, this is all speculation on my part, I've never used anything heavier than 13s.

though those are acoustic strings, don't think the work on an electric


maybe the Fender Bass VI strings or whatever those are?
.025 to .095
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-5350-Bass-VI-Stainless-6string-Bass-Strings?sku=101288
#14
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I would like to have one.. but I just don't have the money for a new guitar.. I just bought my Ibanez S520EX and I'm still broken.. and I don't really need a new guitar for now.. I already own 3 electric lol

I was thinking getting an octave pedal.. since I don't want to screw up my Les Paul or my Strat

how much do they cost? and how do they work?
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#16
Y'know, there's a reason they make baritone guitars....
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#18
^^ He said he doesnt have enough money for a new guitar. But i agree that would be the smart thing to do.
#19
so, my best option for the money is to get a octave pedal (since I want to sell my Les Paul, so I don't want to screw it up)

do they sound great, good, average, bad or crappy? lol
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#20
they definitely don't sound the same as actually being tuned down to that, or actually playing a bass guitar
#21
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though those are acoustic strings, don't think the work on an electric


maybe the Fender Bass VI strings or whatever those are?
.025 to .095
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-5350-Bass-VI-Stainless-6string-Bass-Strings?sku=101288

Wow, I feel silly now. http://www.juststrings.com/labellabaritoneguitar.html will have some ELECTRIC baritone strings.

I would not use strings that are designed for a six string bass. I'm a bassist first and a guitarist second, my main axe is a six stringer, and those strings would ruin your guitar. Way too much tension, you'd have to reshape the nut, and you wouldn't be able to play well on them at all. Also, a six string bass is tuned BEADGC, so you'd be ****ed either way. That link you sent is crazy light gauge for a bass, but way too heavy for guitar.
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Wow, I feel silly now. http://www.juststrings.com/labellabaritoneguitar.html will have some ELECTRIC baritone strings.

I would not use strings that are designed for a six string bass. I'm a bassist first and a guitarist second, my main axe is a six stringer, and those strings would ruin your guitar. Way too much tension, you'd have to reshape the nut, and you wouldn't be able to play well on them at all. Also, a six string bass is tuned BEADGC, so you'd be ****ed either way. That link you sent is crazy light gauge for a bass, but way too heavy for guitar.


The Fender VI is an older six-string bass that's tuned EADGBe, but an octave down. It's pretty much a low-tuned Jaguar, whammy and all.
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#24
Be careful with that.
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#25
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^^ He said he doesnt have enough money for a new guitar. But i agree that would be the smart thing to do.


He might as well have said he wants to play cello music, but can't afford one - a normal guitar won't tune that low, therefore just have to forget about learning those particualr songs.
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#26
...Or just play it an octave higher
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#27
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Warmoth makes baritone necks that fit on a Strat.



I like this idea

maybe I will save some money for a baritone strat neck

but, what's would be the better sound quality/price upgrade:

- An octave pedal ~ 115$
or
- A baritone neck for my strat ~ 170$

I don't have much money now, so I want to be sure to save for the best option available to get the sound I want
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#28
I honestly wouldn't bother wasting money on stuff that's not going to be all that useful. Your amp should be the priority at the moment...an octave pedal honeslt isn't goint to sound all that great for what you want. More to the point, you don't have an amp that'll pull off those sounds convincingly.

If you want to play stuff that low then converting the strat is the best option short of buying a new guitar.
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#29
I want to sell my Les Paul to get a new amp, and the neck upgrade would be a good idea since I don't really play with my strat anymore, with the new neck I will use it more often

but there's nothing done yet, so I still can change my mind
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#30
Oh, you'll want a bass amp too. A guitar amp won't handle frequencies that low.
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#31
Why not use some acoustic strings then?
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#33
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...Or just play it an octave higher


+1

I think the threadstarter doesn't realise he actually wants to play bass.
#34
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+1

I think the threadstarter doesn't realise he actually wants to play bass.


I believe Meshuggah DO have a bassist, I've got no idea if he's playing an extra octave lower as well
#35
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I believe Meshuggah DO have a bassist, I've got no idea if he's playing an extra octave lower as well


I'm not sure about currently, but for a while there they didn't have one because it was pointless.
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#36
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New ibby 8 string?


Man.. I want one of them.. Just to say: I have 8-strings.

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#37
Meshuggah guitarists use 8-string GUITARS, not basses, and they do play an octave lower.

They are the heaviest band ever
In this video, you can see the drummer and one guitarist from Meshuggah, you can clearly see
that he plays an 8-string, but he only use 6 of them (that's why there is a tape on the 2 high strings), notice how low is the guitar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5YEqmIIdj8&mode=related&search=

btw, I didn't want to be mean or anything, it's just that people don't read what's written before posting and I'm a bit tired of that
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#38
I really wouldn't reccomend tuning lower than C on normal scale guitars, they'll sound really sloppy and you'll need to have your action really high to avoid fret buzz. For really low tunings (B and lower) there's usually baritone guitars, which have a longer neck.

And by the way... I don't think any Meshuggah songs are tuned in Eb. They're either played on 7 strings in Bb (Bb Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb) or on 8 strings, where the tunings vary a bit more.

And in that video Fredrik is using a 7-string.
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#39
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Meshuggah guitarists use 8-string GUITARS, not basses, and they do play an octave lower.

They are the heaviest band ever
In this video, you can see the drummer and one guitarist from Meshuggah, you can clearly see
that he plays an 8-string, but he only use 6 of them (that's why there is a tape on the 2 high strings), notice how low is the guitar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5YEqmIIdj8&mode=related&search=

btw, I didn't want to be mean or anything, it's just that people don't read what's written before posting and I'm a bit tired of that



erm.. thats a seven string


EDIT: Darn beat me to it
#40
sorry... I don't see clear apparently..

but, yeah, they do play in Eb or F, when they use their 8 string they tune it in Drop Eb (Eb Bb Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb)

but I don't really need those 2 high strings

btw, I may just forget those songs and play their A# ones since I don't have the money to do so, I want a new amp and pickups for my shredding guitar
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