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#1
when ppl inhale helium, it causes the vocal cords to vibrate faster because helium is lighter than air, creating a higher pitched voice.

i was wondering if this wud work with guitars, giving you more sustain, because the strings vibrate faster and therefore for longer

will it?
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I'm not sure you've looked carefully enough into the logistics of this.
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does your guitar have lungs and magically inhale helium?
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#7
1. No, whilst helium is less dense than air and strings would indeed vibrate longer in a helium atmosphere due to decreased resistance...the actual sound heard would be quieter and decay more quickly due to the lower number of molecules to vibrate.
2. You would die. You cannot breathe helium.

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#8
well, it might work...

problem is, you'd need to either

1: encase the guitar in some type of airtight bubble which contains the helium. Which means you can't play the darn thing.

2: fill the room with helium and wear some kind of breathing apparatus. Which means you can have no audience (unless they also agree to wearing breathing apparatus ), and also you'd need to find some way to fill your room with helium without it escaping.

I don't think it's plausible.
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im pretty sure the helium in the voice thing works because rather than an air medium, you are creating a helium medium in your voice box. this lighter medium causes the sound waves to travel faster, hence the higher frequency. so to come to your question, no i dont think so. it would simply raise the frequency of the notes you're playing. also, you would have to find a way to shroud your pickups in a completely helium atmosphere, probably just be a lot easier and safer to get a whammy pedal.
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2. You would die. You cannot breathe helium.

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you can breathe it, just you kinda die. Or at least you will if you don't have an appreciable amount of oxygen in there too. I'm pretty sure it's not toxic, just the lack of oxygen is what's killing you.
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as steven said, the sound output would be lowered due to heliums lower mass which means that there will be less carrying material.

Also, you'd have to have some sort of bubble around the guitar to keep the helium in, or play in a room filled with helium and die.
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You might be right there. You'd have to play in an atmosphere containing high amounts of Helium, and I can't say that's too wise. I do wonder what life would be like if the air was 79% Helium instead of Nitrogen. We'd die eventually because Nitrogen's essential to plants (and us, in turn), but Helium is non-toxic so for a while we'd be alright and have some really light air.


...actually wouldn't that mean pressure goes down, when all the Helium rises up in altitude, and make our heads explode?
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You might be right there. You'd have to play in an atmosphere containing high amounts of Helium, and I can't say that's too wise. I do wonder what life would be like if the air was 79% Helium instead of Nitrogen. We'd die eventually because Nitrogen's essential to plants (and us, in turn), but Helium is non-toxic so for a while we'd be alright and have some really light air.


...actually wouldn't that mean pressure goes down, when all the Helium rises up in altitude, and make our heads explode?

well if that was the case, life would either not exist on earth or we'd have evolved to accomodate the helium.
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#14
unless your planning on putting your guitar in a bubble of helium... how would you pull this off?
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well if that was the case, life would either not exist on earth or we'd have evolved to accomodate the helium.


I'm not saying I wonder what life would be like if the Earth's atmosphere was always mainly Helium, I just explained myself that we need Nitrogen. Nitrogen comprises the active group in amino acids (NH2). Amino acids make up all proteins which make up all cells, so of course life couldn't have existed in a helium based atmosphere.

I'm saying I wonder what life would be like if, starting right now, the atmosphere was mainly Helium. In other words I just meant it'd be weird to have such light air. We carry tons of weight on our shoulders every day because gravity pulls the air above us down onto us, if we had lighter air it'd be like a massive weight lifted off us that we never knew was there.
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chlorine or carbon monoxide would work better for sure

For better sustain or for killing yourself?

Dave is right, of course you can breathe heilum, just as you can eat sodium...it's just not a particularly good idea to do so.

The denser the medium the better it is for sound waves to propogate, that's why you can make a telephone with two cans and a piece of string.
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dunno about "active group", but yeah, agreed. though i'm not certain it'd be that big a weight. gas is pretty light.

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yep, that'd be a more efficient way of killing yourself.
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For better sustain or for killing yourself?

Dave is right, of course you can breathe heilum, just as you can eat sodium...it's just not a particularly good idea to do so.

The denser the medium the better it is for sound waves to propogate, that's why you can make a telephone with two cans and a piece of string.


you can eat sodium now? o_O

plus that's a pretty crappy telephone...



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you can eat sodium now? o_O

plus that's a pretty crappy telephone...





Obviously it's a land line as opposed to a mobile...O2 did try a mobile version but people complained of getting tangeld in lamposts. There was also intermiitent interference which was found to be cats batting the string...later investigation traced the cats back to T-Mobile.
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dunno about "active group", but yeah, agreed. though i'm not certain it'd be that big a weight. gas is pretty light.


I meant functional group but couldn't remember the term.

We have many cubic metres of air on our little heads and it weighs a massive amount, or so my teachers have told me when talking about gravity's effects.
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So logically, water would be a better medium for sustain, given that it's denser than air. I'm pretty sure a Sperm Whale who posts here can confirm this.



well apart from getting horrible shocks after submerging your rig in water, and the heart attack that follows afterwards when you realise everythings stopped working, water is much more rigid than air therefore it wouldn't carry vibrations as far. (I'm guessing though)
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So logically, water would be a better medium for sustain, given that it's denser than air. I'm pretty sure a Sperm Whale who posts here can confirm this.

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So logically, water would be a better medium for sustain, given that it's denser than air. I'm pretty sure a Sperm Whale who posts here can confirm this.


It is, that's why sonar works....and why we don't use sonar on land, because sound doesn't travel as far or as fast, about 5 times faster in water.

And laff at the Sperm Whale thing...as if a whale would post here. Whales play the tuba.
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It is, that's why sonar works.

And laff at the Sperm Whale thing...as if a whale would post here. Whales play the tuba.
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It is, that's why sonar works.

And laff at the Sperm Whale thing...as if a whale would post here. Whales play the tuba.

pfft ... ask tubadude and tubaboy. The Sperm Whale doesn't need a tuba, his blow hole is sufficient. However, he does use a custom Ibby with the thick Gibby '59 neck to shred because of his massive fins. Search YouTube.

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So logically, water would be a better medium for sustain, given that it's denser than air. I'm pretty sure a Sperm Whale who posts here can confirm this.


hah, that's for the wusses. you want to be playing in mercury. or molten lead.


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I meant functional group but couldn't remember the term.

We have many cubic metres of air on our little heads and it weighs a massive amount, or so my teachers have told me when talking about gravity's effects.


most amino acids have several functional groups (including the amine group), i'd have thought. iknew what you meant by active group, that's not really what i was questioning, i'm not that pedantic!

I agree with them needing nitrogen, of course.



not too sure about the weight thing... i guess if there were enough air, even though it is not very dense, it could weigh a lot... I'd have thought gravity was the major force on us, but i could be wrong.


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well apart from getting horrible shocks after submerging your rig in water, and the heart attack that follows afterwards when you realise everythings stopped working, water is much more rigid than air therefore it wouldn't carry vibrations as far. (I'm guessing though)


i don't think that's true (about the vibrations, lol)... dolphins and whales can communicate over several miles.

^ what's PMSL?
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i don't think that's true (about the vibrations, lol)... dolphins and whales can communicate over several miles.



either that or they all have tin cans and really, really, really, really long bits of string.


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hah, that's for the wusses. you want to be playing in mercury. or molten lead.





most amino acids have several functional groups (including the amine group), i'd have thought. iknew what you meant by active group, that's not really what i was questioning, i'm not that pedantic!

I agree with them needing nitrogen, of course.



not too sure about the weight thing... i guess if there were enough air, even though it is not very dense, it could weigh a lot... I'd have thought gravity was the major force on us, but i could be wrong.


i don't think that's true (about the vibrations, lol)... dolphins and whales can communicate over several miles.

^ what's PMSL?

Higher frequency with more energy? I'm guessing signal degredation on their communication signals would be less effective than on a music signal

but i don't really pay attention in physics classes so idk..
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^ no idea, i never paid much attention to physics either.
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#35
they did it on brainiac with a wind section and it just went outa tune but not possible with strings
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#37
Naw, whales don't play tuba. All the fat people in the tuba section at school function fine out of water. I think they're cows.
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It is, that's why sonar works....and why we don't use sonar on land, because sound doesn't travel as far or as fast, about 5 times faster in water.

And laff at the Sperm Whale thing...as if a whale would post here. Whales play the tuba.


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