#1
can somebody explain octaves to me and what i use them for? and how to find them? i dont no music theory so keep that in mind when explaining.
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#2
Octaves or idiots. Ok. in 1 octave, you will have all the notes from A to G, and in the next octave (12 frets above the original note) you will have the same thing but over again but it will be higher I guess. pretty simple. Just play on the 5 fret a scale, and play it 12 frets higher on the 17 fret, and it should sound the smae but in an octave higher.
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#3
so an octave is always 12 frets higher?
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#4
No, An octave is seven notes away from the rote note of a major scale Eg
C, D, E, F, G, A, B Then C

They are found All over the place but the easiest to find is 12 frets up

EDIT: Its basicaly the same note at a different pitch


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#5
^ or lower too. it has to do with the value of a pitch, A440 is a middle A but if drop the 440 down to 220 khz it has dropped by an octave, subsequently if you raise it to 880 you've gone an octave up. in western music an octave will always be 12 semitones away either up or down.
#6
^on the same string, yes.
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#7
yes and also 2 frets higher on the string below(edit: I mean the 2nd string below, so E(6) string- D(4) string) , with exception to the bottom 2 strings when it is 3 frets higher.
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#8
yep, 12 frets, and you get some really cool sounds when you play only a root note and octave, no 5ths or 3rds or 7ths
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#9
Yes. Do you know powerchords? The lowest note and the highest note of powerchords are octaves. Play them together without the middle note and you can hear that they sound very similar. An octave means the string is vibrating at exactly twice the frequency, thats why you can take an open E and find the octave on the 12th fret, the 12th fret is exactly halfway between the nut and bridge.
#10
so an octave can is always two frets higher when ever u r playing different strings?
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#12
i do no the notes
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#13
Quote by kazra90
i do no the notes


...

You know the notes...but not what octaves are? Are you sure?

An octave is the same note at a different pitch. Like the 5th fret of the E string and the A string open.

E: Actually wait that's the same pitch. Ha.
Last edited by Leonheart at Aug 13, 2007,
#14
yeah i no the thing about the twelfth fret i was jsut curious about how u find octaves on diffrent strings
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#15
for example how would i find the octaves on this scale:


E---------------------------------
B---------------------------------
G---------------------------------
D----------------------4--6--7--
A------------5--6--8------------
E--5--7--8-----------------------
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#16
Quote by kazra90
for example how would i find the octaves on this scale:


E---------------------------------
B---------------------------------
G---------------------------------
D----------------------4--6--7--
A------------5--6--8------------
E--5--7--8-----------------------


Ok, well what notes are they?
#17
A,b,c,d,d#,f,f#,g#,a
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Quote by kazra90
A,b,c,d,d#,f,f#,g#,a


Exactly.

Ok so next after you hit that A you start over again. So your next notes will be b,c,d,d#,f,f#,g#,a. After you hit that 7 on the 4th string you go to 9. Then you go to the next string and find C and D.

And so on. Figure them out going down.
#19
so would it be liek this?

E------------------------------4-5--
B----------------------------4-6-7---
G-------------------------4--5--7----
D----------------------4--6--7--
A------------5--6--8------------
E--5--7--8-----------------------
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#20
Quote by kazra90
so would it be liek this?

E------------------------------4-5--
B----------------------------4-6-7---
G-------------------------4--5--7----
D----------------------4--6--7--
A------------5--6--8------------
E--5--7--8-----------------------


Yup.

Edit: Ah, scratch that. It's just as good. That'd be A diminished.

Nice job.
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#21
and do i use that same positioning anywhere on the fret board?
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and do i use that same positioning anywhere on the fret board?


Yup, it'll just change keys.
#23
how come for the pentatonic scales u have to use diffrent positions when moving on the fret board?
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#24
Quote by kazra90
how come for the pentatonic scales u have to use diffrent positions when moving on the fret board?


I think you mean different positions for one key.

What do you mean exactly?
#25
yeah i mean different positions for one key
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#26
im asking if ican use the same fingering position for the diminished scale on all parts of the fret board
can i use this position:


E------------------------------4-5--
B----------------------------4-6-7---
G-------------------------4--5--7----
D----------------------4--6--7--
A------------5--6--8------------
E--5--7--8-----------------------

but start on the 12th fret but use the same pattern of notes?
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#27
Quote by kazra90
yeah i mean different positions for one key


Well what we just talked about was one shape of the A diminished scale. That shape has all the notes but we can play those notes in other frets on the neck. That's what the different positions are for, reaching the other parts instead of just staying in that one shape.
#28
Quote by kazra90
im asking if ican use the same fingering position for the diminished scale on all parts of the fret board
can i use this position:


E------------------------------4-5--
B----------------------------4-6-7---
G-------------------------4--5--7----
D----------------------4--6--7--
A------------5--6--8------------
E--5--7--8-----------------------

but start on the 12th fret but use the same pattern of notes?


No. If you started that pattern at 0 of the E string you could then go up to the 12th of the E string and play it and then it would be the same notes.

But there are more patterns for that scale as well. As long as you hit the notes that are in that scale you can hit other frets not in it.
#29
how would i find out the other patterns?
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