#1
hi, i am really torn between getting a guitar with a tremelo system and one with a fixed bridge. I have owned a cort x6 with a trem system before and had massive trouble tuning.

I play a lot of metal and would quite like the option of doing dive bombs and all that stuff.

what should i do? what are the pros and cons of each option?

thank
#2
ibanez s470dxqm...get one..u fall in love...has a ZR trem..doesnt go out of tune however much wankage the whammy takes...

pros..all the above..
cons..


nuff said
#3
ZR trems are probably second best nevt to original FR trems. S and SZ Ibanez guitars are the only ones w/ ZR's, but u might try a good RG with a Floyd.
#4
Ibanez ZR is a good trem. Decent trems can be a pain in the arse to restring and fiddle with intonation but I do love the whammy wankage!
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#5
I also have the s470, and it has a great neck, great bridge, sounds good, and generally feels nice to play.I play absolutely no metal, I just like how it plays.

EDIT: Hey, mines in blue too!
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ibanez s470dxqm...get one..u fall in love...has a ZR trem..doesnt go out of tune however much wankage the whammy takes...

pros..all the above..
cons..


nuff said



I actually saw one of those in my local guitar shop and loved the look of it. i should have tried it out. Love the idea of a body being that thin but because its mahogany still having some thickness to its tone
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#7
Get a whammy pedal instead. The same exact sound, a better range, and it won't suck your sustain out.
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#8
i do not like floyds..terrible things :S at least zr have some form of magically spring fairys that keep it in tune when u have a breakage..AND i hate restringing FRs..the rg350dx i had..swapped in n OFR..got it set up..still went spazzy..so ZR all the way for me
#9
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I actually saw one of tose in my local guitar shop and loved the look of it. i should have tried it out. Love the idea of a body being that thin but because its mahogany still having soem thickness to its tone


Its definitely worth trying out.
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#10
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I actually saw one of tose in my local guitar shop and loved the look of it. i should have tried it out. Love the idea of a body being that thin but because its mahogany still having soem thickness to its tone


ever get a chance....get one!
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ever get a chance....get one!



I can't afford the instore price but online prices are much cheaper. just won't be able to try the one i actually buy, if i were to buy that model!
#13
just make sure you get something with a decent trem then- OFR, schaller, Gotoh, ibanez edge, lo-pro edge, edge pro (nothing with numbers in it!), ZR, etc.
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#14
I managed to find a reasonably priced second hand one.
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Get a whammy pedal instead. The same exact sound, a better range, and it won't suck your sustain out.


questions:

can you do a gargle with a whammy pedal?

can you do whinnying noises?

can you do vibrato with a whammy pedal?

can you do scoops and doops?

can you lower the pitch and then hit the harmonic on the way up again without repicking?

probably more, but i'm tired.
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questions:

can you do a gargle with a whammy pedal?

can you do whinnying noises?

can you do vibrato with a whammy pedal?

can you do scoops and doops?

can you lower the pitch and then hit the harmonic on the way up again without repicking?

probably more, but i'm tired.


Can you go up 2 octaves with a whammy bar?
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Can you go up 2 octaves with a whammy bar?


since when does having a whammy bar prevent you from buying a whammy pedal?
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#18
I never said that it didn't. People like what they like. But I won't be getting a floyd-equipped guitar anytime soon.
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#19
^ you said it has the exact same sound, and it obviously doesn't. I have no problem with the whammy pedal, as you rightly suggested, there are things it can do which the double-locking trem can't, but from the sounds of things the threadstarter could use a locking trem, not a whammy pedal...

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ZR trems are probably second best nevt to original FR trems. S and SZ Ibanez guitars are the only ones w/ ZR's, but u might try a good RG with a Floyd.


SZs don't have trems.

You had trouble with your old Cort because the trem was a rubbish one.

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#21
do trem fitted guitars perform well for heavy metal rhythm playing? i need a guitar than can do both rhythm and leads
#23
should be fine. as always, best bet is to try both a trem guitar and a non-trem.
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#24
Yes,the S470 is a great guitar,but changing the strings might be slightly irritating..but ask the shop keeping to show you how to change it if you can
#25
Learn to spell tremolo before buying anything

I'd honestly say get one. It's better to have one that you don't use than to wish you had one. You really can't replicate the sound of a real divebomb or whammy harmonic with any sort of pedal.
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#26
It can be spelt tremelo or tremolo. Should be called a vibrato bridge anyway.
Double locking will hold tune but will be pain to change strings or tunings with. If you have a well set up guitar you can get away with a traditional trem system set up to float. My Pacifica holds tune for several days - even after serious whammy wankage. Obviously you will have to tune more often (but it's easier to do) and changing tunings is still a pain. Ibanez S's and RG prestiges are good options.
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#27
i'm pretty sure it's spelt "tremolo" exclusively.
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#28
My Ibanez's Lo-TRS II bridge holds tuning for about... hmm maybe half an hour. Damn piece of crap - one day i'll be able to afford replacing it

But if you stay away from bad trems they can be a lot of fun. Restringing and maintenence isn't half as hard as people make it out to be. Once you've got it down its easy.
#29
^ agreed. my lo-trs holds tuning for, er, about half of "mr. scary" by george lynch.

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#30
well i went and bought an s470 and so far its cool. i got it second hand via ebay. its one of the older models with an allen key slot to change the spring tension instead of the roller and i think it has v7 and v8 pickups instead of the infinity ones.

I have been messing about trying to set it up properly all day which is a big put off but i seem to have it playing quite nicely. just a bit of fret buzz now. the first thing i did is change the strings and gauge so that may account for the work i have had to put in today. it only came this morning!
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#31
Pro's
Great for staying in tune.
Can get some amazing unique sounds out of

Con's
Pain to restring and put into different tunnings.

Basically, I made the mistake of getting a floating trem on my first guitar which was an ibanez. Note that when I say mistake, i mean it was a mistake because it wasnt a good idea for a first guitar.

One thing you got to realize that is to tune it, its on a single peice of metal thats 'floating' by tension. So if you tighten one string, the rest of the strings are going to go flat. And you got to tune it several time. Granted after a while you can predict how to tune it and do it fairly quickly...

When you first get it, your gonna have to level the floating trem, adjust the intonation, and tune it. And to get it level, you have to adjust the angle, and retune it until the bridge becomes level which can take a while.

But with that being said, they are awesome trems if thats what you want. There are so many people who get them and then make a post the next day about having problems with them... Make sure that it is what you want, and if it is go for it.
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