flashbandit
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#1
So I used this site to help me out, and it told me I need an 8 degree neck angle, I doubt it! Um, could you please review my input and tell me where I must've measured wrong?:


With a scale length of 24.75 Inches (628.65 millimeters) and the neck joining the body at the 16th fret, the bridge should be located 9.831 Inches (249.718 millimeters) from the point of the neck join.

The string height at the bridge is 1.375 Inches (34.925 millimeters) higher than where the neck joins the body.

Therefore, the neck angle should be set at 7.962 degrees for proper string action.



I'm going for a les paul style neck and bridge, what are those measurements, I've heard 1-2 degrees, whats the real angle, and what's my room for error.
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#2
on a les paul its 13 degrees isnt it?
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#3
what! that seems wrong , although ive never done neck angles cause i dont like TOM bridges. 8 degrees has o be wrong i heard they are like from 1/3 degrees, i may be wrong though.
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im pretty sure its 13 degrees on an LP
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flashbandit
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#5
Quote by walker-rose
on a les paul its 13 degrees isnt it?


13 is the angle of the headstock. I'm talking about the neck->body angle, and yes 1/3 a degree could be used for a neck depending on dimensions. I just want to know what LPs commonly have, and what my room for error is.
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On a les paul its about 4 degress, on a les paul junior its about 2 degrees

melvyn hiscock's book gives a good method of finding the neck angle
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flashbandit
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#7
On a LP, whats the difference in height from where the neck connects to the bridge?

Whats my room for error?

EDIT: Whats the Melvyn Hisock method?

EDIT AGAIN: PLEASE HELP ME!! Thank you so much!
Last edited by flashbandit at Aug 30, 2007,
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#8
Did you triple check the numbers you put in? What type of bridge are you using?
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flashbandit
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#9
yeah, I'm guessing though that I'm giving it some measurements it's not asking for.

All I want to know is what angle is a Les Paul, and what's my room for error? I'm leaving in 30 minutes to do this, so.... help

it's a TOM bridge, and I'm trying to build my neck to gib LP neck measurements
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Ponchibego
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If I'm understanding exactly what you're saying then the angle should be 4.5 degrees... and lucky for you a drew a little piece of crap picture on paint to help show it.

In the picture here... you cut the neck joint at a 85.5 degree angle so when it's connected to the guitar it will creat that 4.5 degree angle. This is if you are joining at the 16th fret just as you said so there ya go.

EDIT: sorry I made the picture so big but atleast it should help.
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walker-rose
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#11
hahahh I guess i didnt read that right.
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flashbandit
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#12
So, I only have 3 more questions

On a les paul, what is the height from where the neck joins the body to the top of the carve where the bridge attaches?

How high is the 3rd string from the body of the guitar?

Is it ok if my neck is angled back an extra degree? Wouldn't I just raise the bridge to compensate?
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#13
For your second question, I think It depends on personal preference. I make the strings in the middle of my guitar a bit higher than the others, but you can do it however you want. There is no "official" height on your guitar strings.
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flashbandit
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#14
I'm just asking for the measurements on a les paul, so my questions are the same! I mean, if you have a les paul, Id love a these measurements, thanks!

My biggest question though is how precise does the angle need to be? Can it be a degree more off? If I was going to get the angle wrong, would it be better to be too steep or too shallow?
flashbandit
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#15
I'm assuming that my inputs were wrong on the angle calculator, so I'm curious of a few measurements from other guitars.

What is the height of a carve on a normal carved guitar, like a LP? Mine is around 3/4" I think, but could that be right (too much)?

What is the distance from the top of the carve to the furthest point on the bridge for a TOM on a LP?


I seriously can't thank you enough, I'm cutting up the neck tomorrow. THANKS!
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#17
Where'd you pull the 1.375" from? That's your problem.
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#18
Most LP tops are around 5/8" - 3/4" thick before they're carved. The only difference between the two is that the thicker top has more depth to it when carved down to 1/4" at the edges.

With that website thingy, just leave the "Increase In Top Height From Neck To Bridge" at zero. I don't know why they have it, but if you leave it at zero and enter everything else correctly you will get the right angle. Check this out.

With a scale length of 24.75 Inches (628.65 millimeters) and the neck joining the body at the 16th fret, the bridge should be located 9.831 Inches (249.718 millimeters) from the point of the neck join.

The string height at the bridge is 0.37 Inches (9.398 millimeters) higher than where the neck joins the body.

Therefore, the neck angle should be set at 2.155 degrees for proper string action.

Fretboard height at .230", bridge height at .60" (roughly) and everything else that you mentioned...
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