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#1
Alright, so I've been thinking of buying a new guitar for more lead type playing. I love the guitars I have now, but it's harder to play higher up on the frets quickly with them, so I was wondering what kind of "shred" guitars you guys would recommend.

I play mostly metal (Killswitch Engage, As Blood Runs Black, Between the Buried and Me, etc.), but also like to play blues, classic rock and even some funk type stuff at times. I've been looking into buying an Ibanez S1625, but it seems they're hard to find as there wasn't a single one on ebay the last time I checked.

Now, obviously, if you recommend an Ibanez, it probably won't have good pickups in it, which I'm willing to replace (I'd really like some DiMarzios or Duncans this time around, what would you guys suggest?). I like my cleans, but I'm not a purist, as long as they're decent sounding, I'm fine.

I'm not really a fan of the Ibanez RGs, I don't like the boxy bodies on them and much prefer the S series, but it seems their prestige line is just a...*bit* more than what RGs start at so I may consider RGs. I'd preferably like to keep the cost at $800 or lower, but I might go a little higher, but anything cheaper is always a plus (especially since I might be getting a Blackface Dual Recto this week). I also really don't like Jacksons too much either, though the highest model I've tried is a DKMG.

I'd also like it to have a floating bridge, either an ZR, Edge Pro or OFR, nothing else, I've gone down that road before and was severely dissapointed.

Thanks for the help!
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#2
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most ibanez come with great pick ups stock

2
i recomend the s470 and s520 models dont even try to get a prestige for less than 1200
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#4
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whats your price range?


$800-900 as said in the post, but cheaper is always better.


Most Ibanez come with IBZs, they're decent, but the ones I've tried can get a bit muddy, which is why I said I'd probably want to replace them.

Also, I'm not into the weird shaped guitars like Vs or Xplorers, I'd like a Superstrat body
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#5
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I also really don't like Jacksons too much either, though the highest model I've tried is a DKMG.


Hey, I might buy that guitar, but i never played it live and i am ordering from net, can you tell me how's the sound? i only play metal-death metal and shredding....

what do you think
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#6
what about the RG prestige series, they come with retty good pups and the edge trems are the best
#7
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Hey, I might buy that guitar, but i never played it live and i am ordering from net, can you tell me how's the sound? i only play metal-death metal and shredding....

what do you think


Well, I didn't get the chance to play it extensively, but I used to own a DXMG. It sounded great when I got it, but once I started to develop an ear for tone, my SG sounded MUCH better to me and to get it to sound better I had to EQ my amp all weird. The guitar itself had litterally no bass for some reason, even with the bass turned all the way up on the guitar, very odd. I stopped playing it all together and sold it a few months ago and bought my EC-1000, which completely destroys the Jackson in every way, shape and form.

The one thing that was good about the Jackson though, was the LFR on it, I expected it to be bad, but it was actually a very sturdy trem, NEVER went out of tune, awesome unit.
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#9
Meh, I'd get a KE3. They come stock with Duncans (JB/Jazz, my personal favourite), and I hear their LFRs are made by Kahler.

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Well, I didn't get the chance to play it extensively, but I used to own a DXMG. It sounded great when I got it, but once I started to develop an ear for tone, my SG sounded MUCH better to me and to get it to sound better I had to EQ my amp all weird. The guitar itself had litterally no bass for some reason, even with the bass turned all the way up on the guitar, very odd. I stopped playing it all together and sold it a few months ago and bought my EC-1000, which completely destroys the Jackson in every way, shape and form.

The one thing that was good about the Jackson though, was the LFR on it, I expected it to be bad, but it was actually a very sturdy trem, NEVER went out of tune, awesome unit.
It might have to do with the cut of Alder you had. I wouldn't base my opinion on a company off of one lemon.
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#10
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Would schecter do? Or maybe you'd like a thinner neck?


Try them out anyway


http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Schecter-Hellraiser-C1-FR-Electric-Guitar?sku=513134


I actually like the C-1 Hellraiser, its neck is closer to my two guitars, which is one of the reasons I don't like the RGs, their neck is too thin, the S series is just right for me. However, the Hellraiser doesn't play quite as fast as I'd like it to for some reason, it plays more like my EC-1000 than a more "shred" guitar.

As for the KE3, I'm not really into that style of body
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#11
The RG1570 is $750 on MF, it has a Prestige neck, h-s-h configuration, and an Edge Pro bridge. I'm seriously considering this for my next guitar. Check it out.
Or you could try a Schecter, as previously suggested.
#12
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As for the KE3, I'm not really into that style of body
Fair enough. Well in that case, then you should look for something with the JB/Jazz combo, or swap them out in the guitar, seeing as that those are versatile enough for your styles of music. Of course, that's just what I'd do. I've heard good things about Swineshead pickups too. You should also look for an alder-bodied guitar, as that seems to be the preference for shred.
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#13
What about DiMarzio? I'd like a distinct sounding guitar. Cleans aren't *that* important on this guitar, just a good lead tone I guess, I can use my other guitars for cleans.

As for the 1570, I'll look into it, I believe there was a used one Guitar Center the other day, but it didn't have a bar for the tremolo on it so I didn't play it.
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#14
Get a Jumbo neck schecter for shredding.

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#16
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most ibanez come with great pick ups stock

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i recomend the s470 and s520 models dont even try to get a prestige for less than 1200


1: not really.

2: wtf, 1200? you can get a 1570 for $700, i think.
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#17
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1: not really.

2: wtf, 1200? you can get a 1570 for $700, i think.


1: actually yeah
my 9 year old ibanez still has stock pickups and theyre amazing
and every one ive played has had great pickups

2: if i couldve got a 1570 for 700 why would i have got a s470 instead

edit:
should have said s prestige theres no such thing as a s1570 lol
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#19
^does anyone read edits anymore?

al you did was prove theres no s1570
becuase the guy who was asking for advice stated that he like s and prestige so i figered oh s prestige

which are all 1200 and up

so who the mixed up one now?
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#21
I must say, I'm liking the RG2550 more than the 1570. Are there any big differences between the two?
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#22
I'd suggest getting a used prestige s off ebay theres more models than that one. Also avoid the MIK ones
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#23
What S models would you suggest besides the 1625? I don't really know a lot about Ibanez models because they're all numbers and it's weird. I tried just searching on ebay for any S series models and didn't find any other than the 3-500s.
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#24
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^does anyone read edits anymore?

al you did was prove theres no s1570
becuase the guy who was asking for advice stated that he like s and prestige so i figered oh s prestige

which are all 1200 and up

so who the mixed up one now?


The guitar I linked to is a Prestige. RG Prestige maybe, but Prestige nonetheless.
#25
Quote by envoykrawkwar7
1: actually yeah
my 9 year old ibanez still has stock pickups and theyre amazing
and every one ive played has had great pickups

2: if i couldve got a 1570 for 700 why would i have got a s470 instead

edit:
should have said s prestige theres no such thing as a s1570 lol


1: nah, most stock ibanez pickups aren't great. even the v series on the lower prestige models, most people swap out rather swiftly. If you like them, fair enough, everyone has their own opinion, but the general consensus is that ibanez generally skimp on their pickups.

2: ah, ok, sorry i misunderstood.
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I must say, I'm liking the RG2550 more than the 1570. Are there any big differences between the two?


not really, better pickups and different cosmetics. Just with the money you save on the 1570, you could probably get some new pickups of your own choice.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#31
And now for something completely different:



Rock Maple neck
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It may not exactly match your wishes, but it's always good to try something else.
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#32
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not really, better pickups and different cosmetics. Just with the money you save on the 1570, you could probably get some new pickups of your own choice.


Ah, fair enough, I didn't notice the big difference in price there. I like the looks of the 2550 better because of the pick guard, but it's not worth the extra $200 or whatever it is.


As for all the other recommendations, thanks. I'll look into that 540, but I think I'll hold out a bit for a cheaper one, for $75 more I could buy the brand new 1570.

As for the Caparison, it looks nice, but I searched around for it and it doesn't look like I have that much to spend

And the other two, I want something with a floyd on it for sure... Well actually, I'd really like to try a Kahler this time around, is there any good guitars with a Kahler on them in my price range? I never really see any guitars that have them.
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#33
bump!
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Yep. One of the best ways to spend $450.

To the TS, an older S540 (think 10+ years old) utterly wastes any modern Saber offering (including the prestiges), but if you find the necks on the RG Prestige too small, then your S choices are limited by anything from the non-prestige series post-2003 - those have the Wizard II neck and won't cost you an arm, leg, kidney, and your firstborn.

In my opinion, 88-92 S540s offer the best value, the best features, and the best feel. Often, $350 buys you one with just minor wear, and for $500 you can get a minty with a case. They have Edge or LoPro, Wizard neck, and IBZ/DM F/C series pickups (genuine Dimarzio products - those are some of the stock Ibanez pups that don't suck imo).

But then again, if you're hatin' on the Wizard, then those aren't for you.
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#38
my mate has got a c1 hellraiser. It is an awsome guitar, i prefer it over my mates gibson sg
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#39
hell raiser

but seriously maybe get a used ESP HOrizon dunno prices over there
i much prefer esp over ibanez
even try some of the edwards
#40
Get a nice fender strat.... best tones.
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