Poll: what teacher decision?
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View poll results: what teacher decision?
get rid of current teacher/stop lessons
13 28%
get rid of current teacher/get new one
20 43%
Stay with current teacher
14 30%
Voters: 47.
#1
So basically, i've had a guitar teacher since i started playing guitar, 3 years ago. I started getting lessons from the owner of this small non-chain guitar store called "happi music land", he taught me stuff like chords and notes lol Basically he'd just leave me in the room whenever someone came in his store to look or buy anything, and i had saturday lessons so that was a waste..Then after like 3 months of that he hired this "large" guy who wears those suspenders to keep his pants up, his name was loren(short for lorence or something), that made it so that i had a bit more time for the actual lessons, until i had to switch to sundays, which is the owners day off..then it was back to having the teacher never really spend much time teaching.

After probably another 4 or 5 months of that..the big guy decided he could make more money doing lessons by himself and just renting out his own place+going to people's houses on other days. So now, finally i've got actual lessons for a full hour per week.
So now, my teacher starts teaching arpegio's, scales, still work on chords sometimes, and some simple songs. After another 5 months of his place, i realize that i've never really been taught anything about music which i actually enjoy...it's all music which he enjoy's, he's an older guy who likes blues/jazz, country, folk, and stuff from like..the 50's-60's, that kind of stuff..So one lesson i asked him if we could learn some rock songs, and the only one so far he's taught me is Crazy Train by Ozzy. Also, now i'm in a metal band and don't really have as much time for lessons. I've got basically 3 more pre-paid lessons before i've really gotta decide what to do. So i can either: get a new teacher who will help me learn more metal/hard rock type stuff, stay with my teacher and learn basic guitar theories and stuff in styles i'll most likely never care about, or stop getting lessons and simply make up my own stuff and get advise from my band/the other guitarist on what sounds good. What should i do?
my gear:
Jackson DKMG(the one with EMG 81/85's)
b-52 AT 212 100 watt amp
old gear i'll probably sell eventually:
yamaha beginners guitar
gunmetal grey Fender squire strat
Fender 65R amp
Last edited by electricsnake at Sep 1, 2007,
#2
my teacher dropped me because i surpassed him, all he played was blues and jazz, he sent me to the guy down the road who was a prog metal god.

if he doesnt teach you what you want to learn, you are wasting your money.
#4
i've learned the most from just jamming with friends and other people.
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#5
Let him know that you'd like to supplement the theory lessons with songs you want to play. Although you should remain open to new things, letting him know that you aren't getting enough of what you want out of the lessons is a good idea -- he will accommodate you or not. That way you'll know whether it is best to find a new teacher.
#6
Quote by godofshred
jsut say to him that you wish to learn *insert song*
if he says no, say goodbye?

but if i tell him i'd like to learn *insert children of bodom song* he'll most likely say he's never heard of them lol

Also, he went to ozzfest last year with one of his students and said ozzy and lordi were the only good bands he heard
my gear:
Jackson DKMG(the one with EMG 81/85's)
b-52 AT 212 100 watt amp
old gear i'll probably sell eventually:
yamaha beginners guitar
gunmetal grey Fender squire strat
Fender 65R amp
#7
id get a new one i like my teacher all he likes is emperor maiden sepultura and that **** and so do i so it kicks ass we also do scales and ****
#8
i would keep withh him for a bit because 3 lessons won't teach you majorly, just ask for some scales because most scales are in any kind of music
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#9
Quote by ChazBcWarlock
i would keep withh him for a bit because 3 lessons won't teach you majorly, just ask for some scales because most scales are in any kind of music

why would i want to just learn scales? plus he also only teaches me in standard tuning, so arent the scales different if i'm in drop d or drop c?
my gear:
Jackson DKMG(the one with EMG 81/85's)
b-52 AT 212 100 watt amp
old gear i'll probably sell eventually:
yamaha beginners guitar
gunmetal grey Fender squire strat
Fender 65R amp
#11
thats true

but the best teacher still is a professional one

does your current teacher have any graduate musical accomplishments? a good teacher can teach you anything
--but--
it *is* good stuff he's teaching you, jazz and blues are rock music but more complicated and less distortion (overally) I mean, the stuff he teaches you, if he's a real teacher and not some guy that plays the guitar and shows you how to for the money, that's stuff that's hard to figure out on your own.

anyone with no schooling can practice enough and eventually play 98% of all metal songs, all you need for that is a good tab and practice
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#12
Quote by LP Addict
my teacher dropped me because i surpassed him, all he played was blues and jazz, he sent me to the guy down the road who was a prog metal god.

if he doesnt teach you what you want to learn, you are wasting your money.

I'm much better than my current teacher at anything metal/shred involved, and he does play that kind of stuff quite a bit, but I still learn something new theory wise every lesson. or different characteristics of blues music and ear training stuff. I say if your still learning things even after 3 years of playing, even if its something you don't listen to. Its worth learning.

Its like a quote from Bruce lee: "Use only that which works, and take it from any place you can find it." which I find completely relevant in music, because all musical genres are related in one way or another.
#13
I wanted my teacher to teach me Spice girls - when two become one but it was too hard for him, so i said goodbye.
#14
Quote by DieKrupps
I wanted my teacher to teach me Spice girls - when two become one but it was too hard for him, so i said goodbye.


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#15
Quote by LP Addict
my teacher dropped me because i surpassed him, all he played was blues and jazz, he sent me to the guy down the road who was a prog metal god.

if he doesnt teach you what you want to learn, you are wasting your money.


Out of curiosity, does that mean you can play blues and jazz better than the teacher? Don't mind me, I'm just an old phart but I do recognize blues and jazz are still here and going strong and jazz is far harder to play than metal. Jazz is the true freeform style of guitar playing. Yeah, ok, you're thinking I'm an assh*le.. i won't say your wrong but put yourself 30 yrs from now.. I'll bet there's still blues n jazz but I won't hedge a bet on metal.
#16
Why are you paying for something you can do from looking on Ultimate-Guitar.com?

Learn scales/chords/theory from him. If he plays Jazz etc, that should be an indication that he knows his stuff. Take it from me, scales etc is a MUCH more valuable way of spending your money/time on lessons than learning songs, which you can do at home. You'll regret it later if you don't learn all that stuff.

But if you're really having trouble with a song, why not print off the tab, take the CD and show him? I'm sure he'd be able to help...
#17
Quote by Myrdinn
Out of curiosity, does that mean you can play blues and jazz better than the teacher? Don't mind me, I'm just an old phart but I do recognize blues and jazz are still here and going strong and jazz is far harder to play than metal. Jazz is the true freeform style of guitar playing. Yeah, ok, you're thinking I'm an assh*le.. i won't say your wrong but put yourself 30 yrs from now.. I'll bet there's still blues n jazz but I won't hedge a bet on metal.

just like jazz isn't popular to the current generation(unless you live down south or something) as big as it used to be, metal might become overtaken by another style.
Jimi hendrix was deeply influenced by jazz/blues, and then he influenced some of the harder rock guitarists like Eddie Van Halen, which influenced other styles, if metal dies it will still be recognized as metal, and there will always be people playing metal stuff.
my gear:
Jackson DKMG(the one with EMG 81/85's)
b-52 AT 212 100 watt amp
old gear i'll probably sell eventually:
yamaha beginners guitar
gunmetal grey Fender squire strat
Fender 65R amp
#20
Quote by electricsnake
just like jazz isn't popular to the current generation(unless you live down south or something) as big as it used to be, metal might become overtaken by another style.
Jimi hendrix was deeply influenced by jazz/blues, and then he influenced some of the harder rock guitarists like Eddie Van Halen, which influenced other styles, if metal dies it will still be recognized as metal, and there will always be people playing metal stuff.

Curiosity: EVH said himself that he wasn't particularly influenced by classic guitarists like Clapton and Hendrix.
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#21
Quote by jmag
Curiosity: EVH said himself that he wasn't particularly influenced by classic guitarists like Clapton and Hendrix.

meh wuteva, my point was that lots of people were influenced by them, and combine what they like from each style
my gear:
Jackson DKMG(the one with EMG 81/85's)
b-52 AT 212 100 watt amp
old gear i'll probably sell eventually:
yamaha beginners guitar
gunmetal grey Fender squire strat
Fender 65R amp
#22
Quote by electricsnake
meh wuteva, my point was that lots of people were influenced by them, and combine what they like from each style

Yeah, I understood that, didn't mean to come out as a dick. It was just a curiosity really.

Anyway... Your teacher's influences can do you good, it's good to have good knowledge of a broad range of genres, and blues and jazz are blues and jazz after all. But if you think there's no profit for you, then just confront your teacher about it, or let him go.
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It wasn't mean, it was Portuguese.

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#23
if you don't like him then you should find another teacher. but learning songs and how to shred and stuff...that's simple and can be learned on your own. learning theory and all of the boring stuff that seems stupid is very very important and very difficult to learn on your own. i don't think i've ever had a guitar lesson where my teacher taught me how to play a song. he'd teach me theory and appropriate exercises, or we'd work on a song that i had written.
#24
Quote by Steve The Plank
Why are you paying for something you can do from looking on Ultimate-Guitar.com?

Learn scales/chords/theory from him. If he plays Jazz etc, that should be an indication that he knows his stuff. Take it from me, scales etc is a MUCH more valuable way of spending your money/time on lessons than learning songs, which you can do at home. You'll regret it later if you don't learn all that stuff.

But if you're really having trouble with a song, why not print off the tab, take the CD and show him? I'm sure he'd be able to help...


^ Pretty much. Also, keep in mind being a good student is more important than finding a good teacher.
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#25
stay with my teacher and learn basic guitar theories and stuff in styles i'll most likely never care about,

Well you should care about it if you wanna learn metal. It ALL comes from the scales and etc., even the jazz and blues.
#28
I'd say talk to your teadher about what you want, if he says no, say "IM OUT THE DO." And I would really like to know why everyone on UG thinks jazz is the shizz, I can't stand jazz, and don't play any, and and a damn fine guitarist. I don't mean to brag, but everyone I know says I'm better than them, so I guess I must be okay, I don't know, but my point is jazz is not nessesary to be a good guitarist, blues helps, but if you play a pentatonic solo, then everyone says you are doing a pentatonic wankfest. Classical is where it's at for rock guitar.

EDIT: Sorry for the rant, I'm just REALLY tired of people I know trying to shove jazz down my throat. Anyway, about the teacher, just tell him what you'd like, but you don't really need a teacher, all mine did was show me how to tune my bass and play a few basslines for songs (I taught the guitar to myself using nothing but what I alreay knew from bass, learning songs and teaching myself theory.) If you know how to play a guitar, and are really commited to bettering yourself, then y ou don't really need a teacher, but having one can help. I'm thinking about having a few more lessons with my guy, as were really close freinds (I'm practially godfather to his first son)
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Last edited by SG Man Forever at Sep 2, 2007,