#1
I recently got into a discussion with an electric player and I was hoping for some opinions, as we were coming to an impasse trying to make our points to each other.

I'm a moderate acoustic player, and to this point I've practiced entirely in fingerstyle. I can do some metal/hard rock stuff on my elec, but primarily I'm on the acoustic. Recently, someone moved into my building who is a fairly accomplished electric player in a metal band.

At the moment I'm interested in technique building, so I asked him if we could 'trade riffs', as I'm inexperienced on the electric and he's inexperienced on the acoustic. This is where the debate started.

He insists that I can't achieve the same speed he has using fingerstyle, nor will I be able to pull off some of the false harmonics or taps. At the same time, I'm trying to tell him that no manner of sweep picking will accomplish the same sound as fingerstyle for some of the riffs that have basslines, and even the basic fingerstyle riffs won't sound right and will be complicated at best (think 'Romanza').

Is either of us right? Or, like what my mom used to say when my sister and I argued as kids, are we talking in Greek and French and not understanding one another? Thanks in advance
#2
Well, Depends how good each of you are.

Fingerpicking takes alot more skill to get speed, But you can play multiple notes at a time.

Using a pick however, It is generally straightfoward to get speed with picking except you can only use it on one string at a time.

A few techniques can only be done using each style, But I prefer using a pick after 4 years of Classical finger picking because it was alot easier to get into and had more fancy tricks...

Also each style of picking is used for different type of music, They generally don't cross over (Except for the obvious NeoClassical and Alot of Metal solo type things)
#3
I think that good finger picking can go at the same rate as good picking.
however I think finger picking on the acoustic....played fast is more bad ass then any metal riff
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#4
Ask him to play "Capricho arabe" with a pick, and you go play "No Boundaries" with your fingers.

I've seen some finger players that can fly through the fretboard, and I've seen some people do pretty tricky things with picks, but they both have their abilities. A finger-style player probably won't be doing pinch harmonics anytime soon, and a pick-style player won't be playing classical riffs either. But it's good to learn both just to expand yourself.

So you're both half-right.
#5
It`s going to be very difficult to tremolo pick the the speed of alternate picking, but you can just us legato, I think it sounds better anyways. Yes I think its possible to use finger picking styles to achieve speed and generalized metal techniques, but it going to take a higher degree of skill.
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#6
lol pick with you thumb and pointer and fingerpick with the rest of your fingers!!! tahs the answer.
#7
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Ask him to play "Capricho arabe" with a pick, and you go play "No Boundaries" with your fingers.

I've seen some finger players that can fly through the fretboard, and I've seen some people do pretty tricky things with picks, but they both have their abilities. A finger-style player probably won't be doing pinch harmonics anytime soon, and a pick-style player won't be playing classical riffs either. But it's good to learn both just to expand yourself.

So you're both half-right.


I can pinch harmonic pretty convincingly with my fingers. I sort of make a 'thumbs up' and place it against the string. I pluck with my index, and pinch with my thumb. Not that hard once you have the feel.

He will be able to play many 'finger picky' sort of songs using hybrid picking, but he wont be able to play a classical piece correctly.

When I need to play 'pick style' I just hold my hand like I'm holding a pick, but use my index finger nail as the pick. It works quite well.
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#8
Thanks for all the replies.

So would it be recommended to try to do some of the fast metal stuff fingerstyle? Granted it would be far more difficult, but in the end would it be worth it for the skill I would gain? Or should I just relent and start dusting off my old pick collection for the sake of learning the riffs "properly"?
#9
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I can pinch harmonic pretty convincingly with my fingers. I sort of make a 'thumbs up' and place it against the string. I pluck with my index, and pinch with my thumb. Not that hard once you have the feel.


*just did what you said* ... Wow. I'll have to remember that trick. Thanks, man!-- I totally stand corrected.
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#12
You're both right, in a sense; both methods of playing have their disadvantages and advantages when compared with the other, and the most important thing to do, instead of arguing and bickering over the two, is to develop an appreciation and working knowledge of both.

I tend to use my fingers much more often than a pick these days, but I still pull it out for many songs, mostly those that require a fair amount of strumming.

However, I will make this point though: a well-developed fingerstyle technique will be infinitely more powerful and diverse than simply using a pick. I don't count hybrid picking as "using a pick", because a fair amount of fingerpicking is utilized. As far as I'm concerned, the only purpose for hybrid picking is in pieces where the majority of the piece requires pick technique, with a few sections that require some fingerings.

And hell, I tap and do pinch harmonics with my fingers. See if you can get your fool friend to do an artificial harmonic with just his pick. Not gonna happen.

EDIT: I stand behind Eminored's post.
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#13
Quote by Garou1911
Thanks for all the replies.

So would it be recommended to try to do some of the fast metal stuff fingerstyle? Granted it would be far more difficult, but in the end would it be worth it for the skill I would gain? Or should I just relent and start dusting off my old pick collection for the sake of learning the riffs "properly"?


Really, you can learn it in any way that you please; far be it from us to stop you from experimenting!

I, however, usually play material like that through the medium it was developed with: a plectrum. Trying to play In Flames with your fingers is kind of... anticlimactic.
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#14
Perfect example to prove my point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wrfb_iRVK48

No pick, and he taps and shreds fine, not to mention his music actually sounds interesting.
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#17
the fastest guitar players i know of are death metal players, and they all use a pick.

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Well you can play more notes per second when playing fingerstyle. ( 5 fingers vs 1 pick)
and look at tommy emmanuel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQhECkexmSI he is fast.

he is using a thumb pick, still fingerstyle though.
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#18
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the fastest guitar players i know of are death metal players, and they all use a pick.


listned to flamenco? look up some of the stuff from Carlos Montoya as an example.

also gypsy style guitarists play some weird superspeed stuff some times.
#20
About pinched harmonics, the "thumbs up" techinque works aswell on acoustic, but the technique that I find the easiest to use with acoustic/classical guitar is to straighten the index finger at the right hand and touch the desired spot slightly with it, and then to pick it with the ring finger (3rd), and then move away both fingers.
if you do that right it's a similliar fingers shape like when you're "crossing fingers" to someone, only with the ring finger instead of the middle finger (and without crossing the fingers of course)