#1
I feel like a failure

I was trying to play Chromatic Fantasy today and listening to the song made me feel defeated. I can't play very fast, I can even only do a B Major scale as fast as 16ths at 92 cleanly. I haven't found a comfortable way to play the 5 notes on one string, I've tried 3-2-1-3-2 which is faster but doesn't feel comfortable and 3-2-1-2-3 which felt comfortable but I haven't figured out which finger I should start with on the next string. I tried playing Scarified the other day and the only part I could do was the tapping (almost at speed) and the sixteenth note root note part in the middle. I feel like I can't do anything, and that I suck at bass.

Do I suck or is it just too complicated?

And post tips and excercises please, I need to get faster

I'm a 3 finger guy, by the way.
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#2
Did you try:


A|------------------0h2h4h
E|22222222224----------

^?

The rest is just practice.
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I dont actually know that song but hey........ Have you ever thought about lessons?
To be honest i feel the same way bout my playing, ive been playing for a year and a half and the most difficult things i can play with ease, is maxwell murder and like three quarters of scarified up to speed. Im a noob too . I play with four fingers though so thats how were different Just practice more, well get there in the end
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Did you try:


A|-------------------------4
E|22222222224h5h7----2------

^?

The rest is just practice.


Mine said that.

That part's not hard, I just need to clean it up.

And to the guy above, you've been playing for less than me and you can play most of Scarified lol, that's how dire my situation is.

I read the posts in other threads that say speed is a by-product of accuracy but I play everything as clean as I can and I'm not getting faster.
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Everyone learns at a different speed, the stage where you are at after 2 1/2 years of playing may be a way behind someone else who learns quicker, but you could be miles ahead of a slower learner. Not being able to play like Jaco after only 2 1/2 years of playing does not mean you are a failure, you've got decades ahead of you in which you can only get better. Do not put yourself down and think of yourself as a failure or you will end up giving in, just look at things you can't do as areas to improve on in the coming weeks, months, years and decades.
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It`s bass, just play it.
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1. Everyone learns at a different rate. Even after one year of lessons and three years of playing, I still have a long way to go. Like indie, said, learning is not standard, we all are very individual in our learning styles and paces. If you're level of frustration gets high, put the bass aside for a few days and go back with a better perspective.

2. One of the best things a music teacher ever imparted to me was that accuracy / tone > speed. Always start slower than you think you can play it and work up gradually. Don't increase the speed until you can play it accurately 5 times. Yes, this can be a gruesome and slow process, but it works. You can't run until you walk.

3. For speed, nothing beats scales with a metronome or if you feel creative, a drum track. It will lock in muscle memory as well as stamina. Yes, they can be boring but they are necessary. Also practice scales using thirds, fourths, fifths and tenths. Overtime, you will build speed, theory knowledge and the ability to navigate your fretboard blind.

4. Record your playing periodically, no matter how bad you think you sound. Its a great way of tracking your progress and hearing issues in your playing.

Don't despair. You've hit a roadblock and will get around it soon enough.
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I'm curious about what picking hand fingering you use for Major Scales.

For the Bb Major:

G-------------0-2-3-2-0------------
D------0-1-3-------------3-1-0-----
A-1-3----------------------------3-1-

I go 2-1 on A, 3-2-1 on D and 3-2-1-3-2on G then 3-2-1 on D again and 2-1 on A.
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If you learned to play with 3 fingers but get confused when going from string to string, you're way, weh, weigh ahead of yourself. Once you master 2 fingers, always alternating, then raking, then start adapting the 3rd finger into your playing.

YYZ is a good some for me to get the fingers going and moving properly. If you're playing it wrong, it'll sound wrong, which is a good aural reference for you to have when learning to alternate the fingers and go from string to string.
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1-2-3 all the way through


hes right. try to focus on keeping those fingers cycling in the 1-2-3 order. you'll get faster speed because each will have more time to recover.
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2. One of the best things a music teacher ever imparted to me was that accuracy / tone > speed. Always start slower than you think you can play it and work up gradually. Don't increase the speed until you can play it accurately 5 times. Yes, this can be a gruesome and slow process, but it works. You can't run until you walk.

+A million

This is such a great way to speed up your playing, it's not even funny. I reccomend it to any level player, especially the threadstarter.
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If you learned to play with 3 fingers but get confused when going from string to string, you're way, weh, weigh ahead of yourself. Once you master 2 fingers, always alternating, then raking, then start adapting the 3rd finger into your playing.

YYZ is a good some for me to get the fingers going and moving properly. If you're playing it wrong, it'll sound wrong, which is a good aural reference for you to have when learning to alternate the fingers and go from string to string.


I can play half of YYZ, it's not that bad.

Anyway thanks for the tips guys, I'll make some of this stuff part of my daily routine for sure.
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Dude, don't worry about it. I've been playing for four years and I couldn't even play anything remotely interesting until last year. I think it's normal to get depressed about bass sometimes anyway, if it's something you really care about. Sometimes I feel like I never want to play again, but then I just keep practicing anyway.

Now that I think of it, that's kind of scary. I think this bass is in charge of my life.
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hes right. try to focus on keeping those fingers cycling in the 1-2-3 order. you'll get faster speed because each will have more time to recover.


What do you mean? I do 3-2-1 not 1-2-3, I didn't know there was an advantage

Or do you mean like when I'm doing my scale instead of starting on the 3rd finger each time i should start at whichever finger i left off on?

like for example I usually do 3-2, 3-2-1, 3-2-1-3-2, 3-2-1, 3-2 but it wouyld be better to do 3-2, 1-3-2, 1-3-2-1-3, 2-1-3, 2-1?
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Do you start on the first finger whenever you go to another string or do you juts continue the 1-3-2 pattern? Unless it's a 3 note per string thing, lol
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For the Bb Major:

I play it like this:

G -------------2-3-2---------
D -------1-3-5-------5-3-1--
A -1-3-5-------------------5-3-1-


That would make 3-finger playing much, much easier, since you can literally gallop each string if you can control it. I use 2 fingers, so it would be

G-------------1-2-1------------
D-------2-1-2-------r-2-1------
A-1-2-1-------------------r-2-1


Where 1 is index, 2 is ring, and r is a rake using the index.

However, I never ever ever thought of playing 1-3-2... that's brilliant... I'll work on it!
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Hey threadstarter, just a question; do you play in a band or spend a lot of time playing with other bassists or musicians?

If not, you should really do so, as it does wonders for your playing and you will really find yourself improving at an alarming rate.
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^personally, I go 1-3-2-1-3-2-1-3-2-1-3-2 and so on and so forth.



+1. I tend to use just two fingers though.
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What do you mean? I do 3-2-1 not 1-2-3, I didn't know there was an advantage

Or do you mean like when I'm doing my scale instead of starting on the 3rd finger each time i should start at whichever finger i left off on?

like for example I usually do 3-2, 3-2-1, 3-2-1-3-2, 3-2-1, 3-2 but it would be better to do 3-2, 1-3-2, 1-3-2-1-3, 2-1-3, 2-1?

YES! i'm not the only 3-2-1 player! though i've messed around with 1-3-2 as well. 1-2-3 never worked for me.
and the answer to your fingering question is probably yes. that's how i do it, and it works pretty well for me.
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Yeah, that Jaco Pastorius...

He'll do that.
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