#1
Hey, I'm looking for the shimmering tone which can be heard on many an Oasis song, namely Live Forever, and the scratchier moment of the Libertines, and Wasted Little DJs by The View. I've got an Squier Standard Stratocaster, Orange 30R, and a Big Muff currently, and I was wondered whats the most important bit of kit for the sound I'm looking for, and any settings will work a treat.

I've got no budget (in a bad way), so any suggests are welcome.

Thanks.
#2
Oasis are up the Beatles' arses so you'd ideally need a rotary speaker simulator, however a chorus pedal will do the job.
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Thanks for that Steve, I don't know what a rotatory whachamacallit is or does though, if someone would kindly explain.
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Well, I'll try and sum it up. There are these cabinets called Leslie cabinets that have speakers that rotate. They were especially popular with hammond/keyboard players, but guitarists loved them for their chorus/vibrato/tremolo tone. It has that great shimmering tone, listen to "Badge" by Cream if you'd like an idea of one of these cabinets in use.

Now, these cabinets are giant and pretty hard to move around, so different pedal companies started producing pedals that would simulate the sound of a rotating speaker. I think the Univox Univibe was an effort for that, it was an amazing Chorus/Vibrato. Fender also released an amp, the Vibrotone (I think), which had a rotating speaker in its cabinet.

I have a Digitech EX-7, which IMO has a really good Leslie speaker tone, it comes with a big price though. There's also the Digitech Eric Clapton series pedal, and I've heard from several UGers that its rotating speaker simulation on the Badge setting is pretty good.

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/14140

If you REALLY want to save up and get something worth keeping for a lifetime, there's the H+K Rotosphere, I think Oasis use one, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/29462

Alternatively, if you like the idea of a rotating speaker, get a Leslie There are several models, each with different characteristics, but they way a ton and they're pricey. I'd probably get one if I had the cash, I just love them.

If you'd like to know any more, I found an article on dolphinmusic.co.uk ages ago with some more recomendations.

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/news_story/a/news_id/e/1358
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Hmm, Libertines don't use any effects. They used to, in the early demo days of tracks like Pay the La(d)y, Carl can be seen using a flanger. But live Carl uses a Gibson Melody Maker and an AC30. So pretty much any single coil guitar with a decent, british voiced, valve amp will do the trick. Plenty of mids too.

Pete's sound is less about the gear and more about him. He seems to just play whatever is knocking about most of the time, but the most used electric guitar is an Epiphone Coronet, a vintage P90 loaded guitar. Similar amp setup to Carl.

The View have two guitarists too, one using a Gibson ES-335 (recently upgraded from an Epiphone Sheraton) and the other a Les Paul Doublecut (with 2 P90's). I'm less familiar with their amp setup though.
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^ I think Carl uses a Leslie cab in Dirty Pretty Things, but not Libertines. I saw him live with one once, but I can't be sure if it was his guitar plugged into it rather than another band-members.
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what about a cheap tremelo pedal for a shimmering sound? check it it for what could be a cheap answer to what you need


+1. I'll recommend an EHX wiggler, a great pedal and a chorus. A nice sparkly amp like a Vox AC30 or a Laney VC30 will help too.
#9
An AC30 with the tremolo on paired with any decently bright guitar should get you there.
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I mean, yeah, they would do fine for a shimmering sound. A Univibe type pedal would be pretty great too, they have that awesome swooshing tone, a bit like a phaser. I recomend you listen to Robin Trower, or Hendrix's "Machine Gun" for an idea of how they sound.
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That's for the advice all, you guys really know what your talking about I'll work out how much money I can spend, and see how much I can't afford ;P.

Any more information would be ace.
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^ When you find out how much you can spend, post it, and I'll try and find something good for the money.
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Well at the moment I don't have any money, but i'm just keeping in mid for the future. I generally don't like to spend more than 70 quid on one pedal, but if it'll save me buying two pedals, then obviously I'll fork out.

I'm not that familiar with pedals and that, so if I'm getting this right, a chorus pedal is one cheaper option, and the Boss is quite good.
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There's also the Digitech Eric Clapton series pedal, and I've heard from several UGers that its rotating speaker simulation on the Badge setting is pretty good.
It is superb. The only problem with it though, is the Clapton pedal is a bit limited in terms of tonal range; it's meant to replicate his tones, and it does that damn well, but it also means you're stuck if you want to take the effects and modify them for your own unique tone. It'll always end up sounding like Clapton. Depending on your gear you can get a more varied effect (for example you can get a pretty unique tone if you're using it with something vastly different to Clapton's own gear, like a Les Paul and screw with the tone knob), but most of the time you're going to end up sounding the same.

It's a great little pedal for quickly and easily getting to certain harder to replicate effects like the Leslie, and it's got the best acoustic modeller I've ever found, but for serious playing, you're better off looking elsewhere.
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An EHX wiggler is a vibrato and tremolo pedal designed partially to emulate Leslie cabinets. It has a tube in it to give a little extra warmth to the sound. It has four different modes of vibrato/tremolo, and personally, I think it's not a bad pedal for £100.
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^ That seems like a cool pedal, nice soundclip! I'd buy that right now if I was an Ebayer

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It is superb. The only problem with it though, is the Clapton pedal is a bit limited in terms of tonal range; it's meant to replicate his tones, and it does that damn well, but it also means you're stuck if you want to take the effects and modify them for your own unique tone. It'll always end up sounding like Clapton. Depending on your gear you can get a more varied effect (for example you can get a pretty unique tone if you're using it with something vastly different to Clapton's own gear, like a Les Paul and screw with the tone knob), but most of the time you're going to end up sounding the same.

It's a great little pedal for quickly and easily getting to certain harder to replicate effects like the Leslie, and it's got the best acoustic modeller I've ever found, but for serious playing, you're better off looking elsewhere.


Fair enough, I totally understand what you mean. I guess if you just use the Leslie setting it does the job though.

There's the Clone Theory by Electro Harmonix, that's at the high end of your budget and it's a chorus/vibrato.
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/17477

The Rocktron Vertigo Vibe looks promising too, and it has an actual Leslie effect onboard, but it's pretty high up over your budget.
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/13077

Also, if you're after a phaser, definitely check out the Maxon PT999. Here's a soundclip of what the phaser sounds like: http://www.maxonfx.com/mp3/pt999.mp3
And the pedal - http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/6989

There's also the MXR Phase 90, probably the most popular phaser ever.
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/12952

Aaaand, I'd finally like to show you the Maxon PH350 Rotary Phaser. I know you can't afford this one (nor can I) but give it a listen and see for yourself how it sounds!
http://www.maxonfx.com/mp3/ph350.mp3 (by the way, don't just buy or judge a pedal on it's soundclips, it's best to try them out in a store if possible)
And the pedal - http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/6995

There's a lot of other choruses and vibratos around like the EHX Worm/Wiggler, you just have to find the one that suits you.

Is there anychance of you getting to a nearby store to try out some different pedals?
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