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flashbandit
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FINISHED PRODUCT Page 8



Here's my sweet project! It's a violin-looking-semi-hollow-hard tail-HH solid body electric.

Specs:
-Walnut carved top
-Hard Ash Body
-Maple Neck
-Ebony fretboard
-book matched (4 times) cocobolo veneer for headstock that has some sexy white sapling to contrast with the very dark old wood.

-Two Humbuckers (thinking about duncans)
-3 rotary switches that allow me 84 different pickup combinations (including phasing, parallel, series, coil splits etc!
-volumes and tones for both pickups
-24 3/4" scale length
-Gold TOM bridge
-Gold stop piece
-Gold Rotomatic tuners
-white plastic pu rings
-white binding over top, fretboard and headstock


Heres what I have so far, I'm getting there slowly. I swear, I'm spending 10x more time researching and studying than building!








I'm gonna bookmatch that cocobolo (with sapling) to make a headstock veneer!


I've done a little more, I'll get those pictures soon!
Last edited by flashbandit at Mar 23, 2010,
groll01
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looks awesome cant wait to see the rest
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flashbandit
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I'm so pleased with the neck, not to brag but I didn't know rasps and sand paper could get something that smooth. And it was alot easier to round the neck than I thought it would be.


Starting the neck pocket with a forstner. Any tips on how to get glue squeeze out out of the f-hole? Or the electronics cavity for that matter?
Tallman
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#4
Very classy.

Itll look great when its finished.
flashbandit
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Color scheme, woods all natural. Any thoughts for good stains/oils/nitros for the walnut, ash, maple and ebony? Can I leave the ebony untreated?
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Yes, you should leave the ebony untreated unless it has stripes that you want to darken. If you want to darken the ebony, then there are special products from Stewart Macdonald specifically for this.

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Finishing_supplies/Finishes_and_solvents.html

I can't personally reccomend anything, though, because I don't buy from them.
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Ippon
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Very nice! It'll look even more beautiful after you apply the finish.

Can you describe how you did the truss rod? And the hollowing of the body? Details man!

Also, as far as removing the glue from the F hole and electronics cavity, how to treat the Ebony, etc., wait for or PM Calum, Algee, or the more experienced builders for thoughtful advices.

And don't be shy about uploading more pics.

s.r.v.
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#10
WOW! that looks great. just like those violin basses The Beatles played on. Keep it up!
flashbandit
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Mmmmmm, that looks fantastic!
Very classy looking. 84 pickup combos will be crazy.
And you say its a semi-hollow solid body.... Do you have any pics of the ash body routed before you put the walnut top on?



Oh you had to ask... no... I don't. I'm seriously pissed at myself, but I kind of wanted to keep the project moving so I didn't wait till I found my camera, big mistake. Maybe someday I might take an x-ray of it, that'd be cool! Basically it's just the whole left side routed all the way up and down, a spots routed away under the horn (air tight though), and a crap load is routed for the electronics. I also routed wire channels for the pups.

And about this looking like the beatle's bass, do you really think so? Because I searched and searched for a similar guitar, and that bass was the only thing that came close, but I dont think it's that similar at all. I'm actually very very surprised to not see anything like the old school stringed instruments, because peeps are always trying to be old school. Ah well, I'm original

About posting more pics: I don't own a single tool for doing this work so I'm limited by how much time the dude whos helping me can offer usually a few hours a week


So heres the real question:

Do I carve the top with a router (the wings technique)?

or

Do I carve it with a belt sander (the stationary kind)?
carousel182
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i carve tops with carving tools. ill try to give more detail later if your interested.
s.r.v.
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i dont know about the routing, but how are you doing 84 pickup combinations? you gotta post a wiring diagram!!
and heres the bass i meant:

flashbandit
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Get out of here, it's nothing like the bass

For the pup combo switching, I'm using 6 pole rotary switches and some schematics I got off http://alexplorer.net/guitar/mods/rotary.html . That website has loads of neat electronics stuff, check it out.

I also have a wiring question. I want to be able to have volume and tone controls over each pickup individually, but the nature of the wiring schematic I'm using will make it so that each 4 conductor humbucker will be wired up however I want (IE phasing, series etc.), and then output through 2 leads, ground and hot. But for phasing options, hot and ground may sometimes switch roles. So I need a volume and a tone knob for that, but I want it to be so that the pots only affect the intended pickup, unlike many gibsons. I'm thinking about having a 3 lug pot (of course) where one pup lead goes to an outside lug and stops, the other lead goes to the other lug and continues on, and the pot outputs through the center lug.

VOLUME
pickup side         pot        output side
----------------------o
                      o----------
----------------------o----------


TONE
pickup side         pot        output side
----------------------o
                      o----------
                      o
                      |
                      = <capacitor
                      |
----------------------o----------
flashbandit
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#19
Quote by Ippon
Very nice! It'll look even more beautiful after you apply the finish.

Can you describe how you did the truss rod? And the hollowing of the body? Details man!

Also, as far as removing the glue from the F hole and electronics cavity, how to treat the Ebony, etc., wait for or PM Calum, Algee, or the more experienced builders for thoughtful advices.

And don't be shy about uploading more pics.




Truss rod:
I got a thin 10 ft board of maple, cut it down and laminated 3 pieces for the neck. Unfortunately, it wasn't quite tall enough to put on a 13 degree headstock, so I cut off an angled piece and glued it back like countless tuts show how to do. Then I took the neck, set up a table saw, and just pushed it through the table saw to make the truss rod channel.


Electronics Cavity:
A free handed diagram, a jig saw and a drum sander on a hand held drill.

Cavities:
I drew everything out on the ash like bridge, stop piece and fretboard to know where my cavities couldn't go. Then I drew out the contours I wanted the cavity to follow, and used a round over bit to cut that line into the wood. I needed 2 passes to make that groove deep enough that I could follow it with a template follower bit. Then, that idea for some reason didn't work, so I had to free hand the cavity into the ash with a router. It sucked because the cavity in one spot was a little bit wider than the base of the router so I really had to just free hand it with out the bas even supported.

I'm realizing that building a guitar for the first time is really just a learning experience. I'm spending so much more time researching and fixing mistakes from oversights, or planning out different steps in the construction process.

Good luck if youre gonna build a guitar!
qotsa1998
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wow awesome. Id expect that the only hard part of this would be the neck rounding and the truss rod. id looked at some tutorials, and i didnt exactly want to try it after that. could i give me a little how-to with that? especially the neck rounding, since u said it was easier than expected.
carousel182
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#24
i like it, its a nice shape i have a great idea for a carve on this, this is going great so far and has alot of potential
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Quote by flashbandit
I just remembered that I took a picture of the routing pre-gluing on my phone. Here's the crappy picture.


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nice build. can't wait to see more of it

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flashbandit
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i like it, its a nice shape i have a great idea for a carve on this, this is going great so far and has alot of potential


I'm carving it soon (like this weekend if it works out), what's your idea?

Bear with me, but I'll try and explain my current idea.

I'm thinking of having the contours follow lines similar to those drawn on the above speed shop guitar (i know it's not carved, but it helps me show my idea). Mine will be a little fatter and a little taller though, and near the bottom it'll be carved smooth and rounded like a LP. The horn, I'm thinking of carving like on some PRS guitars, where it gives you a heck of alot of reach towards the upper ends of the fretboard. The back, I'll probably just use a 1/4-1/2" round over.


About contouring the neck: Its way simple. A lot of tutorials will show you how to build most of the neck. I don't want to even start talking about angles though since that was hell for me. To carve the back, cut the neck maybe a 16th thicker than you want it, ( to leave room for error). Mines about .9" near the nut, and 1" near the 14th fret. So right now, your neck is just a partially shaped block. To round the back of the neck, just bust out your rasps and sand paper. leave a thin strip of wood untouched along the edges and the top so you don't change the dimensions of the neck. Just start hacking away at the corners, and then just keep filing both sides evenly up and down the length of the neck. Hold it and try and feel what you want it to be like. I didn't use any stencils to match my neck to any other guitars, i just went by feel. Good, luck and PM me if you have any questions.
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that is quite a neat shape... its oddly attractive to me hahaha


as for the ebony...try and find an oil that hardens such as tung oil. you need to have some sort of protection against humidity changes otherwise your fretboard might crack later on. you can leave it raw but its best to keep it oiled...finger prints will be less noticeable also
sytharnia1560
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#33
I know the basses have been done to death but what your doing is pretty original and I say AWESOME dude, that walnut looks really nice, hopefully the figure stays in it once you've carved it
flashbandit
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#34
Carved the top! woo woo! And it only took me like 10 hours with a router for a little bit, and then chisels, rasps, and fine sand paper for the rest! (I didn't have coarse sand paper )





Go to my photobucket to see the full sizes http://s151.photobucket.com/albums/s142/flashbanditx/
Last edited by flashbandit at Sep 16, 2007,
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dude let me tell you, this is a ****ing nice guitar.


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livingontheedge
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#37
awesome.
haven't seen a violin guitar before. for finish do it in the typical violin bass burst.
good luck!
flashbandit
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^ I thought about a burst, but the walnut's too dark for a burst, so I'm going au' natural.

Which one should I use? I'm still not sure, but I don't want to say because I dont want to influence the vote!
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#39
i really like it man, your doing a great job, you should've routed everything first though. wouldve been much easier. but your doing a great job