#1
Hi,

I'm new to this forum, "Hi"

Could you guys please help me work on my solo skills... I know a few scales and such, but don't know which ones to apply where and in what key and how to tell...

Also, how to move a solo all over the fretboard and still have it sound great, any advice please

Thanks
#2
If you want to use more of the "NECK" then all you have to do is use different positions of the scale you are in and use key changes.


Look at blues like Stevie Ray Vaughn or, depending on how good you are look at any of Steve Vai's work. Both use plenty of positions.


Recommend "Texas Flood" by Stevie ray =]
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#4
^ FTW. as always, edg is dead on. practice practice practice. scales in every position all over the neck. i recommend doing runs your hands aren't used to that you find difficult. the more difficult it is, the longer it takes. the longer it takes (more than likely) the easier hand motions becomes (this is in general)
#5
Well, how do you tell what scale to use on a certain song?

Sorry, I meant neck, my bad.

You got any tabs to any runs or licks that'll help me out?
#6
I myself am only just getting into soloing and I will give you some advise. I got good at closed scales. This is where you play the scale in one position. Learn 6th and 5th string root scales. This is the easy part. When using these scales work licks into what you are playing. I find that practicing playing the scale over and over (or even part of the scale) whilst watching a tv program helps to build up familiarity and speed. Once you have got good at this you want to start playing extended scales patterns. This is where you play the same notes in the closed scale over the whole fretboard. Google it and see what comes up.
Your best bet would be to also learn the notes on the fretboard cos this helps a lot.

And the best advise is to listen to your ideals and copy them. When you learn their stuff your playing starts sounding like theirs. For me thats SRV Jimi and John Mayer.
#7
Dude, thanks a lot for the advice!

I can't find any closed scales on the internet, I've just looked... You mean like the Pentatonic Blues Scale?

So you mean, get fast at a scale and remember it, so then add to the scale, expand it and you'll be able to move around?

I know the frets and letters they corrispond to, if that's what you mean.

Yeah, I listen to Led Zep non stop!
#9
Thanks for that! Do you have a link to any of these scales please?

Also, how to do you know which ones to apply to a certain song?
#10
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Thanks for that! Do you have a link to any of these scales please?

Also, how to do you know which ones to apply to a certain song?


http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/m/misc_scales/essential_scales_tab.htm

You're jumping the gun a little, wanting to know where to put these scales before you've learnt them. Start with the sticky. Learn some more theory first. Intervals and key signatures and the like. Then it'll be much easier for you. It'll take time though, so don't rush it. Work through it and try not to skip parts or make assumptions about anything.
#12
When I said closed scale what I ment was where you play a scale in one position. Such as the ones in the link:
http://www.cyberfret.com/scales/basic/page2.php

(have a look on the rest of the site because there is some pretty good stuff on there).

OK, you need to learn these pretty well and I suggest that you play it in triplets. So for a E minor pentatoinc in open position you would play

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------0--
-0-3---3

Once you get really fast at that practice

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---0-2-0
-3------

Do this for the whole scale and then practive doing hammer ons and pull offs doing the same thing. Then work it in fours, doing the same thing.

An Extended scale is where the same notes are played in different places on the fretboard.

Caged it what you need to look for, but I agree that you might be best practicing soloing in one position first. It can still sound really cool.

But still work out the stuff that led zep play (transcribing by ear is the best way) because that sort of thing influences the sound of your soloing.
#13
A scale is scale all over the fretboard (even independent of the fretboard!).
You're talking about finger positions, and I think there's even a term for
what you're talking about which is called "position playing".

It's really important to learn the positions (and there's 2 basic methods: there's
5 positions in the CAGED method, and there's 7 positions in the "3 note per string"
method. I find the latter method far superior, but choose one or the other or BOTH!)

But, the original question was about soloing over the entire neck. Once you've
learned the positions, its important not to get tied down by them. Their intended
purpose is to access the notes of the scale on that part of the neck, not to restrict
the scale (or how you think about a scale) to one part of the neck.

It's up to you to move your thinking of the scale to cover the entire neck. It should
get to the point where it's just as easy to move *through* finger positions,
from one to another, than it is to stay *in* a finger position. That's where you'll
be able to solo over the entire neck.