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ive saved up some cash and idk wether to save up even MORE for a gibbe or buy and epi and customize! any sugestions?
#2
dont call it a gibbie then maybe people will take you seriously
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dont call it a gibbie then maybe people will take you seriously


You've only been here for two months, please refrain from being a jackass.


Besides, Gibbie and Epi are common nicknames that a lot of people use.

TS, that would depend on what specific models you're looking at, what guitar you have now, and what amp you have now.
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rite now i have a fender strat (mexican =/)and lame line 6 spider amp but soon ill have a peavey classic 30 .
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ive saved up some cash and idk wether to save up even MORE for a gibbe or buy and epi and customize! any sugestions?

In terms of the build, there's very little difference between them, so I'd say get an Epi & replace the stock pickups & maybe hardware as well, even if you just then go & get the true Gibson versions, which is definitely an option. In the end, t'is your money bud, you do your liking, but that's what I'd recommend
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when you say hardware.....wat do you mean?


tuning pegs, bridge, ect...

I would go for the Epi, upgrade the pickups, and use any money you have left over to trade in the spider and get a new amp
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go and play them unplugged. While your playing them, try not to notice which one your playing. Whatever you like the feel of more should be the one you go with. pickups, pot, tuners, bridge, can all be changed later, but the feel of it is hard to change. i'd say if the gibson feels better, save for it
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Quote by s.r.v.
go and play them unplugged. While your playing them, try not to notice which one your playing. Whatever you like the feel of more should be the one you go with. pickups, pot, tuners, bridge, can all be changed later, but the feel of it is hard to change. i'd say if the gibson feels better, save for it


that's worth repeating

EDIT: that's how I ended up buying my epiphone gothic sg - I was about to go with the gibson faded sg, but I tried the epi unplugged next to it and the neck felt smoother and the price was nicer, so I'll just upgrade the pups when I get a chance.
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Quote by s.r.v.
go and play them unplugged. While your playing them, try not to notice which one your playing. Whatever you like the feel of more should be the one you go with. pickups, pot, tuners, bridge, can all be changed later, but the feel of it is hard to change. i'd say if the gibson feels better, save for it


I third that
#14
Good points about an epiphone

An epiphone is easier to maintain.
An epiphone is cheaper.
An epiphone is easier to fix if something breaks
An epiphone isn't as expensive to fix if you have to get a luthier to do it
An epiphone will be more durable

Good point about Gibson
A gibson will look nice
A gibson will most likely play better right off the shelf (but not always)

Bad points about epiphone.
The electronics are not very good and will need replaced.
They are often times very plain looking
Poor setups when new.

Bad points about Gibson
Poor electronics that will probably need replaced
not as durable as epiphones
more expensive to maintain
Not easy to fix
Making mods and changing parts so that the guitar will sound and feel good will decrease the value of the guitar.

Gibsons are for people that want to look nice and sound pretty good. Epiphones are for real musicians. Epiphones are not as nice as gibsons right off the shelf, but a $200 (or less) trip to your luthier and you can make your epi play, feel, and sound significantly better than the gibson and it'll cost you a lot less.
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CorduroyEW brought up some excellent points in general. However, if you consider some of the MIJ Epiphones, you can actually hit the Gibson territory, specifically the good points: price, quality, performance.

Here's my newest MIJ Epi. I'm not sure of the PUs but it can crunch, chug, etc. like my Gibson LP. Note also that it doesn't have the funky headstock of those sold here in the US. Another UGer (staticreverb?) got a similar model in Japan:









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Quote by CorduroyEW
Good points about an epiphone

An epiphone is easier to maintain.
An epiphone is cheaper.
An epiphone is easier to fix if something breaks
An epiphone isn't as expensive to fix if you have to get a luthier to do it
An epiphone will be more durable

Good point about Gibson
A gibson will look nice
A gibson will most likely play better right off the shelf (but not always)

Bad points about epiphone.
The electronics are not very good and will need replaced.
They are often times very plain looking
Poor setups when new.

Bad points about Gibson
Poor electronics that will probably need replaced
not as durable as epiphones
more expensive to maintain
Not easy to fix
Making mods and changing parts so that the guitar will sound and feel good will decrease the value of the guitar.

Gibsons are for people that want to look nice and sound pretty good. Epiphones are for real musicians. Epiphones are not as nice as gibsons right off the shelf, but a $200 (or less) trip to your luthier and you can make your epi play, feel, and sound significantly better than the gibson and it'll cost you a lot less.

ah thats just bull****. Gibson's wont be harder and more expensive to maintain, and its the same to fix as epiphone. I break a tuning peg, i go to musiciansfriend, buy them put them on. Just cause its a gibson doesnt make it harder to fix. Electronics are fine, sure, pots might wear out or pickups might not be what you wanted, but thats the same as epiphone. Gibson is just a durable as epiphone, i have no idea why you think differently. My epiphone was setup fine off the shelf, and same with the gibsons i have played. so what if it decreases the value of the guitar? unless you sell it in like 50 years no one should care if its original. If you're upgrading it, people will probably notice that is better than it was new. those have to be the worst "good/bad" points of epiphone/gibson i have ever heard
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Hang on a tic. I gather that you're deciding whether to get the real gibson version or Epiphone copy of a guitar, but you haven't actually specified which one. Are we talking V, Les Paul, SG, Explorer?
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Hang on a tic. I gather that you're deciding whether to get the real gibson version or Epiphone copy of a guitar, but you haven't actually specified which one. Are we talking V, Les Paul, SG, Explorer?

Excellent point!

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I bought an epiphone sg400 about a year ago. It plays and sounds great, whether I play classic rock, thrash, etc. IMO, go with the epi!
#22
dude a few of the bands are saying that epiphones are getting made better than gibsons at the mo, for instance my chemical romance use epiphones
#23
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dude a few of the bands are saying that epiphones are getting made better than gibsons at the mo, for instance my chemical romance use epiphones


My Chemical Romance get paid to pose with their signature Epiphones in clips and live performances, this doesn't mean they play them in the studio. Not that I'm saying an Epi LP isn't a good guitar, my brother has used his custom to record and it sounds sweet. Just bear in mind that with MCR, it is a paid advertisement for Epiphone.
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Just move it around the fretboard
#24
Here's my tuppence worth. An Epi Les Paul custom is about £550 shop price in Bristol, UK. You can get a Gibson faded SG for £500, give or take a tenner. They do sound different, of course, but having Gibson on the headstock instead of Epiphone gives it more kudos. The other alternative, if looks are slightly less important, is to go for the Les Paul studio. Basically identical to a standard, but paint finish to hide the cosmetically imperfect wood underneath. These are about £700 shop price over here, a standard is still at least £300 more!! My advice is to just try as many guitars as possible, you might even find you prefer another brand altogether
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Here's my tuppence worth. An Epi Les Paul custom is about £550 shop price in Bristol, UK. You can get a Gibson faded SG for £500, give or take a tenner. They do sound different, of course, but having Gibson on the headstock instead of Epiphone gives it more kudos. The other alternative, if looks are slightly less important, is to go for the Les Paul studio. Basically identical to a standard, but paint finish to hide the cosmetically imperfect wood underneath. These are about £700 shop price over here, a standard is still at least £300 more!! My advice is to just try as many guitars as possible, you might even find you prefer another brand altogether

Amen!

Or, if you can snag a MIJ Epi, the workmanship is pretty slick! The one I posted above was ¥48,000 or ~ $415 or ~ £205. I'll probably sell it for a very nice mark-up.

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CorduroyEW brought up some excellent points in general. However, if you consider some of the MIJ Epiphones, you can actually hit the Gibson territory, specifically the good points: price, quality, performance.

Here's my newest MIJ Epi. I'm not sure of the PUs but it can crunch, chug, etc. like my Gibson LP. Note also that it doesn't have the funky headstock of those sold here in the US. Another UGer (staticreverb?) got a similar model in Japan:


Beautiful Custom there! You have an older version of the top of line Epiphone which is probably why your headstock is so much like the Gibson's. You'll notice the rear logo says "Elite" which was the initial line name. They are now labelled as "Elitist" and have the newer version headstock as seen on my pic here.
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Actually, gibsons will cost more to repair. guitar techs will many times charge more for simple fixes on expensive guitars, since they know you're most likely loaded. some techs in my area will bump up the price for a simple fix on an expensive guitars 10 or 20% easy. Epiphones are more lesser end, and they usually wont' bother with them.

And yes, Gibbys will usually be more to maintain. They are higher end guitars, so they make the guitars with better quality finishes. But any better quality finish will also mean you don't get that famous squire 3cm thick finish. That also means the guitar is more prone to wood damage undeneath the paint, from bumps or whatnot. Epiphones I imagine have a thicker more durable finish. So yes, in the long run Gibson will cost more to maintain, costing you to pay higher attention, be more careful, and be overall anal about your guitar.

I personally think buying a Gibson is only paying for the name. There isn't really a major difference in teh two guitars. And in the end, you'll appreciate the Epiphone more if your a working musician.
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ah thats just bull****. Gibson's wont be harder and more expensive to maintain, and its the same to fix as epiphone. I break a tuning peg, i go to musiciansfriend, buy them put them on. Just cause its a gibson doesnt make it harder to fix. Electronics are fine, sure, pots might wear out or pickups might not be what you wanted, but thats the same as epiphone. Gibson is just a durable as epiphone, i have no idea why you think differently. My epiphone was setup fine off the shelf, and same with the gibsons i have played. so what if it decreases the value of the guitar? unless you sell it in like 50 years no one should care if its original. If you're upgrading it, people will probably notice that is better than it was new. those have to be the worst "good/bad" points of epiphone/gibson i have ever heard


i agree..sure gibsons are a little over priced but there that way for a reason.
and to say that epiphones are for real musicians who want true qulaity as opposed to gibsons are for showboating...what a load of crap
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i agree..sure gibsons are a little over priced but there that way for a reason.
and to say that epiphones are for real musicians who want true qulaity as opposed to gibsons are for showboating...what a load of crap



He's not too far off the truth though. I've played a few Gibsons and was appalled at the some of the finer points on the guitar - frets weren't filed properly, small and irregular gaps between the binding and the fretboard, etc. Why pay double for a guitar when you can get something equally as good (not ALL Epi's, but pick your model right and you'll be on the money) for a lot less?
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i agree..sure gibsons are a little over priced but there that way for a reason.
and to say that epiphones are for real musicians who want true qulaity as opposed to gibsons are for showboating...what a load of crap



You know who told me that gibsons were for collectors and epi's were for players? GIBSON DID! I order tuners 50 to 100 sets at a time so I figured that since I was replacing so many gibson tuners that has worn out or broken, I might as well order directly from gibson. I asked if it were possible to get tuners with the Gibson name that didn't have all the crappy plastic parts inside. They told me no. I asked why they use such crapply plastic parts on their gibson tuners and sturdy metal parts on their epiphone tuners and they told me that

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Gibson guitars are for collectors. A collector doesn't need a metal washer inside his tuner when nobody can see it. A collector wants a guitar that looks like a guitar from the 60's so that is what we give them. If you want a players guitar get an epiphone.


That is what gibson told me and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one they have said that too.
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Explains the extra few notes they ask for the name, I guess. Haha also explains why every time Gibson start their PR machine, they start ranting on about their heritage, although sometimes I just thought that's because they don't seem to have had an original idea since the 1960's, though I guess the vixen & goddess's aimed at the ladies was a decent thought. Ah wells, guess that settles my next direction then (Black Epi V - not the gothic one, the korina, re-paint the pick-guard so that matches the body, & then swap the pickups. Was gonna go for a set of gibson 57's or something like that, but might grab a set of Duncan II pro's or something)
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Quote by CorduroyEW
You know who told me that gibsons were for collectors and epi's were for players? GIBSON DID! I order tuners 50 to 100 sets at a time so I figured that since I was replacing so many gibson tuners that has worn out or broken, I might as well order directly from gibson. I asked if it were possible to get tuners with the Gibson name that didn't have all the crappy plastic parts inside. They told me no. I asked why they use such crapply plastic parts on their gibson tuners and sturdy metal parts on their epiphone tuners and they told me that


That is what gibson told me and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one they have said that too.


Now there's a salesman with a bright future! Since they also own Epiphone, I guess they get the money either way!
#35
if name brand and other people's fascination with them doesnt mean anything to you... get the epiphone.

i believe it all comes down to what feels and sounds best when you play... not what you look like or how much you paid for your equipment.
#36
How about you go to Guitar Center or SamAsh and find out what guitar you like? So far, it sounds like you're just going to go and order something blindly. Bad idea. I still don't understand why people ask what guitar they should buy. Just play it. Find out. And why is this thread in this forum? This mostly has to do with buying a guitar, not customizing or building one.
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