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#1
Like the title says.. How much guitar wankery (shredding) is too much?

My band plays hard rock/metal, and there is a little guitar wankery going on. We only have one guitar player, and he also sings lead vocals, which doesn't leave him too much time to wank off (ha i love that word, wank). Some of the bands we play with though, have 2 guitars and a seperate person singing. When those bands play it is constant guitar solos, even when the singer is midverse. And honestly it annoys me, they think it adds to the song, but it hurts the lyrics and the song as a whole.

Maybe i'm just trippin', but what do you guys think? Should the guitar solo's have their own spot in the song? Or should they just solo the whole song?
#4
Solos should have their own spot somewhere in the song . i don't like song that are full of solos but in reality they are not adding anything to the whole vibe
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#5
one note is too much :/
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#6
This is gonna turn into a biased "fhlame war" so I'm not sure what else to add...
#9
Shreddings great fun in the right song, the moment it gets crap is when it just gets into a wankfest and doesnt follow the songs melody or rythm, follow them and its crazy sexy
#10
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There is no such thing as too much shredding.


Yes but only if you're in an instrumental band.
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#11
Quote by abhishek21
Yes but only if you're in an instrumental band.

Nope, it goes with every music.

When i listen to something, if there isn't a shredding guitar behind the lyrics, if there is no part in the song that says 'Holy ****, look how fast i'm playing!', if there is time for the listener to take a breath in between the notes, it's just simply not worth listening to.
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Quote by buckethead_jr
Nope, it goes with every music.

When i listen to something, if there isn't a shredding guitar solo behind the lyrics, if there is no part in the song that says 'Holy ****, look how fast i'm playing!', if there is time for the listener to take a breath in between the notes, it's just simply not worth listening to.

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#13
^^ Haha, I love this guy "Buckethead jr". But no, shredding sucks. Only way you can tell when it's time for the guitar solo is when the vocals stop. Poo Ca Ca.
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Quote by buckethead_jr
Nope, it goes with every music.

When i listen to something, if there isn't a shredding guitar solo behind the lyrics, if there is no part in the song that says 'Holy ****, look how fast i'm playing!', if there is time for the listener to take a breath in between the notes, it's just simply not worth listening to.


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There is no such thing as too much shredding.


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#16
yes theres spots for them,never when vocals are going it just jacks them both up and makes it sound messy,there good for repetitive breakdowns/bridges outro's even in chorus but only if its instrumental
#20
I think a band like Children of Bodom has the balance just right, where they have small shred licks and chops throughout, but (usually) one main solo. Any more than that is too much.
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#21
Quote by One Thread
Like the title says.. How much guitar wankery (shredding) is too much?

My band plays hard rock/metal, and there is a little guitar wankery going on. We only have one guitar player, and he also sings lead vocals, which doesn't leave him too much time to wank off (ha i love that word, wank). Some of the bands we play with though, have 2 guitars and a seperate person singing. When those bands play it is constant guitar solos, even when the singer is midverse. And honestly it annoys me, they think it adds to the song, but it hurts the lyrics and the song as a whole.

Maybe i'm just trippin', but what do you guys think? Should the guitar solo's have their own spot in the song? Or should they just solo the whole song?


Why do you necessarily need solos?

Solos are not essential to a song.
#22
Songs do not need shredding to be memorable and sound heavy and hard. Look at songs like Again by Alice in Chains, Forty-six&2 by Tool, Cochise by Audioslave, and Angry Chair. Those songs don't really have a solo. The 'solo' in Again is like 5 notes. But no one would contest those songs as sounding awesome and heavy by rock/metal standards.

Composition and unique rhythem with the riff is what makes a song for me. Shredding gets old really fast. I think nowadays it's just a way for the guitarist to show off and fill out some time ina song with some psuedo-impressive fingerwork.
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Quote by str84ever
Why do you necessarily need solos?

Solos are not essential to a song.

YES TEY R.

I get pissed off when the whole song is a solo, and the guitarist leaves all members of the band in the dust. The other band members are there for a reason.
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YES TEY R.

I get pissed off when the whole song is a solo, and the guitarist leaves all members of the band in the dust. The other band members are there for a reason.

Ya...backing music for the guitar solo.
#27
Why does an song even NEED a solo? It depends on the song. Hardly any of my songs have solos but some do. I only add a solo if the song needs it or it comes naturally. There's no point having a solo just for the sake of it. Then it's just wanking.
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Quote by Donaldguitar
Why does an song even NEED a solo? It depends on the song. Hardly any of my songs have solos but some do. I only add a solo if the song needs it or it comes naturally. There's no point having a solo just for the sake of it. Then it's just wanking.

It needs a solo, cause that's what makes songs great.
If there is no solo, there is no point in a song.
If there is no section in the song that's so mind numbingly fast that it makes my ears bleed, the song is just not worth listening to.
#29
Quote by buckethead_jr
It needs a solo, cause that's what makes songs great.
If there is no solo, there is no point in a song.
If there is no section in the song that's so mind numbingly fast that it makes my ears bleed, the song is just not worth listening to.




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Quote by str84ever
Why do you necessarily need solos?

Solos are not essential to a song.


I think they add a lot to a song. I think if done right, a solo can even tell a story.

While they're not needed, a good one can really improve your song.

That being said, I'm all for soloing, as long as it finds a good place in the song.
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Solo's aren't needed in the same sense that verses and a chorus aren't needed.

It's just that many people think it fits in their song.

also shredding =/=wanking

in fact they are mutually exclusive.
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There is no such thing as too much shredding.


Obviously. If you have chops, show them off!

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#37
It depends on how tastefully it's done. In some songs, like Crossing the Rubicon or Vela by The Human Abstract, shredding can help the flow of the song and work when put behind the vocals.
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It depends on how tastefully it's done. In some songs, like Crossing the Rubicon or Vela by The Human Abstract, shredding can help the flow of the song and work when put behind the vocals.


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When those bands play it is constant guitar solos, even when the singer is midverse. And honestly it annoys me, they think it adds to the song, but it hurts the lyrics and the song as a whole.
Guitar + Vocals =/= Guitar Solo

it's simply a lead melody
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