#1
Hey guys. I'm just wondering what you all would do in order to reduce illegal downloads. Really random topic I know, but I'm just curious.

I feel that songs shouldn't be downloaded illegally, but the temptation is too great, and prices in shops are sometimes ludicrously high.

If I was a record label, I would release Torrents containing maybe five of a band's songs. That way, people would be able to listen to songs from a band in order to decide whether they like them or not. Basically the same way Myspace works, but downloaders would have hard copies to listen to on MP3 players, etc.

Also, to counter the fact that music is so easy to download due to its small file size, I'd include incentives to purchase the actual album. For example, instead of releasing an album then rereleasing it with a DVD 6 months later for £7 more (one of my pet peeves), I'd include a DVD in the regular edition of the album, and sell it for the regular £10 price. Face it, it costs next to nothing to film some backstage footage and record some live shows, and fans shouldn't be expected to dish out more money to get the same music with some footage stuck on half a year later.

Finally, I really like the idea HMV has introduced, whereby older albums are sold in packs of two for a reduced price (you can get the latest two Coheed and Cambria albums for £8, and the first two Alexisonfire and Brand New albums for £10).

Anyone else got any ideas?
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#2
I'd prosecute 7 year old girls and grandmothers for their evil piracy!
Wait, the RIAA already does that.
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#8
Put out good music so people will want to support the band. If i download an album and like it enough i'll go out and buy it.
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#10
iv found on one good way is to buy online after checking out a bands myspace or youtube to check there songs out

i find you can get cds from play.com at such good value, especially with there play trade system
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#12
I would rather download a CD then go to the bands concert instead of dishing out $15 that goes straight to the record company, then an extra $25 for if they come to town.
#13
I download music, then, as someone else stated, if it's good enough, I'll buy it.
#14
I don't download, I like having a disc, Case, and Album booklet.. I like to have a shelf full of tunes so I can show off, and Occasionally sit down too look back at what i've listned to over the years.
#15
I wouldn't. If CD prices weren't so stupidly high I wouldn't download as much. I don't download albums that I already own, but I'll be damned if I'm spending a tenner on something that will probably only have a few good songs on anyway.
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#16
Downloading actually helps the artists create a bigger fanbase though. They get virtually none of the money that comes from the record sales.
#17
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Downloading actually helps the artists create a bigger fanbase though. They get virtually none of the money that comes from the record sales.


I hear this alot but whats the source? (not saying I don't believe you but I want some statistics to look at )
#18
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Are you saying we should get...REAL...LIVES?????

Never.

Without the Internet where would 13 year old boys get there Porn???



Where would we all get porn should be the inquisition.

I'm not sure about you folks, but I refuse to pay to watch someone else get laid.
#19
^ Agreed, and it's simple economics really, lower cd prices, and raise blank cd prices. Problem solved.
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#20
Well, first, the record companies should take their foot out of their asses and then will they be able to find ways to minimize illegal downloads.
#21
Has anyone posted the link about the micropayments? Because if not, I'll try to find it and post it.
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#22
The problem with lowering CD prices is that at around £10, it's a pretty much minimum as it is. You need to think of all the people who need to be paid out of that price, the shop needs a cut, as does the band, distributor, label etc. The list goes on and the band actually gets less than £1 for each album sold.
#23
^ I see what you're saying, but do you think the average listener cares about those all the people that need to get paid? Look at it from there point of view, it's twenty dollars (american) for a cd, and twenty dollars for a fifty pack of blank cd which would you choose?
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#24
Include more with the CD, like Beck did. Or add interactive games, like They Might be Giants (be it only on there kid's album.)

Also, cheapen the CD. I like Trent Reznor's idea of putting up his albums for sale for $4 after his contract is done.

Edit: Also, companies making CD's needs to slowly ween out. MP3's are eventually going to take over, as much as it sucks for the record stores.
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#25
Well, I think CD sales generally adhere to a sort of Laffer curve. Basically, once the cost is higher than a certain price, less people will buy the CD. When you account for the increased sales that go with a cheaper price, I think the profit will be higher for the record companies, even though IMHO they don't deserve a dime.
There's not much you can do other than that. Once the dam has been breached, i.e. people have been mass-downloading/stealing music, it's not going to magically go back to how it was 10-15 years ago and back - deal with it.
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#26
If they (record companies) include a DVD with the CD, I will buy it. All of my music purchases are CD + DVD packs.
#28
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Why would anyone buy a song?

I really can't understand it either. Why have a crappy quality 128 kbps AAC file when you could have a CD with packaging, etc. for the same price?

On topic, I don't really think it's a bad thing to download as long as you still buy. I download to check new bands out, and if they're good, I'll buy their CD. Without downloading files, half of the bands I listen to now I would've never bothered to check out. Plus, you try getting anything underground in Mexico, it's absolutely impossible, and I can't buy stuff off the internet...
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#29
do you have a good public library system in your city? they usually have a big selection of CDs, then rip them onto your computer. thats what i do.
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#30
I'ld just give more incentives on buying the cd...

Really cool artwork... Lyrics n info bout the songs... Cool discounts on band merchandise.

Maybe even a big discount or free entry to band's official fan club where they get merchandise n cool stuff for discounted prices and can purchase backstage passes to band's gigs....

I had thought bout all this long ago....

There is really no way you can stop people from downloading music...

The best way to get more people to buy more CD's is to make it more benificial to own a CD than illegally download it...
#31
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I'ld just give more incentives on buying the cd...

Really cool artwork... Lyrics n info bout the songs... Cool discounts on band merchandise.

You're acting like you can't get any of that off of the internet. Many torrents come with the artwork and lyrics when you download them.
#32
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Are you saying we should get...REAL...LIVES?????

Never.

Without the Internet where would 13 year old boys get there Porn???


If you think the only web users who search for porn are 13 years-old, you're sadly mistaken.

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You're acting like you can't get any of that off of the internet. Many torrents come with the artwork and lyrics when you download them.


A .JPEG isn't quite the same as a tangible booklet.
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#33
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You're acting like you can't get any of that off of the internet. Many torrents come with the artwork and lyrics when you download them.


Thats just a part of the whole package...

And with torrents all you get is the front cover...

Something like the packaging of Tools 10,000 days would be perfect!! You will never get something like that off the internet!!

And then i'ld also include a little info bout the songs... like a lil history behind it. How we came up with it, what it means...
You won't really get that on the internet....

And then the whole extra discounts stuff i mentioned bout the merch n stuff...
#34
limewire and all that crap should be shut down.. its not that difficult

also albums that arnt over priced would be nice : /
#35
The answer is obvious: assault and destroy the internets.

And since we're far too powerful and influential for any kind of economic, militant, or terrorist invasion, that's not an option for any sole body or alliance.
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#36
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limewire and all that crap should be shut down.. its not that difficult


Actually, it is. Limewire uses the Gnutella network which is non-centralized AFAIK - basically it's different than Kazaa or Napster because you can't just pull the plug on it - it's a system of sharing that runs between computers and doesn't have a host server. There are ways to make it less efficient, but the music industry has to step up, reduce prices, and add fancy booklets and artwork to the disc.
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#37
turn the prices of cds down
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