#1
how do you find working with other musicians when they know little or no theory? do you find it limits what can be acheived when people only work by ear?
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#2
Hmm...

Most people with eat know theory...

Which they figure out what fits by ear...

My buddy can't play for sh*t so it's hard to play anything with him.

Except Orion, which is pretty bad*ss.
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#3
I find that it's a much easier route to just sit them down and explain to them a little about the scales and chords you're using. Then they can at least kind of understand when you say: "I'm going to play the chords G7 Fmaj7 and Cmaj7 each for a bar while you solo over them with the C major scale." They can at least understand why and what you're saying.
#4
no
i dont
because i know a lot and then working with some one who doesnt allows creation of two unique and blended styles
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#5
I think it is a pain in the ass to work with anybody who doesn't know at least a basic amount about theory.
#6
tried explaining, but as he is the guitarist and im "the lowly bassist" he just doesnt seem to want to hear it from me
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at least its not just me being stuck up and unreasonable then
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no
i dont
because i know a lot and then working with some one who doesnt allows creation of two unique and blended styles

I know little to no theory and that what happens in the band I'm in and I think it works out great.

#11
If you want to go anywhere with music besides playing for free at your friends parties, your band has to know some basic theory.
#12
Well if the person has a great natural ear and talent for playing their instrument then knowing theory doesn't matter. but often i notice that what they play makes a lot of sense if you apply theory. it just seems like they understand it without knowing it. I only know a couple people like that though. Otherwise I feel at least a basic understanding is very useful.
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#13
I know the necessary stuff but when people go advanced on me and start whipping out crap like diminished and empowered chord figures, I start to laugh a little because I'm so utterly lost. I know how to make my bass sound good with what other people are playing though, unless it's death metal. Then it's impossible. Just be another guitarist srsly.
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I'm not being stuck up and unreasonable, and nor are you, for expecting someone to learn something that will help to make music.

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I had a guitarist who didn't even knew the names of the powerchords he played. Not knowing theory is like instead of saying "Go through the door" you say "go through... that thing... that like opens and you can like go through the wall."
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the shold going through the wall thing would be perfect
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#16
It's entirely possible to make great music without any formal theory knowledge, you can play great music with no theory knowledge if you work everything out by ear. Theory just makes all that easier, it's basically all the experiences of musicians before written down. And as I've said before, if you are truly passionate about music, why would you avoid learning theory? Surely you'd want to know as much about it as you possibly could.
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Then he is a jerkass, needs to get off his high horse, and learn some theory. I hate people that don't know something, and don't want to learn. It just bugs me.

i wish i'd never learnt who paris hilton was. that's what bugs me. i have had a different attitude towards people not wanting to learn something ever since.

I think it can only be a problem when someone doesn't know the basics - things like scales or keys - i hate it when i ask someone what key its in and they say something like "3rd fret". it makes me want to play "G C F Bb D G" over and over again. or i guess they mean G, and start playing in G and it ends up being wrong. Its even worse when they just shrug.

Thing is i can deal with these "problems" by using my ears. I don't have to be told what key somethings in to be able to jam along with it. I don't even know what key my own songs are in until somebody tells me, if i did, it would've been all pentatonic and crap imo. So i know a little theory, but it craps out my creativity if i use it.
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#18
The real problem in lack of music theory isnt playing by yourself, its when you try to articulate your ideas to other musicians.
#19
I AM that musician with little to no theory knowledge. Luckily my ear training is really coming along. But I plan on getting theory lessons soon.
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#20
I've actually run into problems trying to Jam with music students who know a lot of theory, but didn't have any practical experience with the type of music we were trying. Some people (band kid music majors) can get so hung up overthinking theory that they become afraid to improvise, or get confused when you use abnormal chord progressions etc. This of course goes away with actual calaborative, free form experience.

We grow up listening to music everywhere, tv, radio, our home, church, school, etc. People carry a thorogh understanding of musical theory even if they have never heard the term "c major scale." It is just subconcious unarticulated knowledge. We all know what sounds good and what doesn't, what works musically and what doesn't. Lots of great musicians can apply these principles without knowing proper names for them.

All that said, it helps a lot to work with people who at least understand the basics so that you can be on the same page before you start playing, beyond that I don't honestly think it matters, I would say that working by ear doesn't limit some musicians in the least.
#21
it ****ing does my nut in man.

rythm guitarist and pianist/keyboardist wont learn theory even though i tell them its important for song writing.

its really hard trying to jam with them.
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